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Post by brickwalls on Jun 17, 2021 15:11:01 GMT
OK I will go give my Android phone a test today, in the mean time make sure you report the issue directly to support via the in app help function.
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Did some changes using apps on my 2014 car with Android 9 and all works fine I am afraid.
The only thing to comment is did you have your bonnet open when doing the coding otherwise it possibly wont work.
Yes bonnet up managed VIM, Air Quality to Max, & Indicator 3 to 5 flash, but still get "check ignition on" error for Rear Lid Control. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 16:18:49 GMT
Good news that you have some working.
I presume you have the Touareg and it has the Power lid fitted (otherwise the app dont work) If you are using Android have you tried doing a data clear of the app - can help sometimes.
Othewise on the assumption that this is an App you are trying to use I would contact support directly via the in app help function explaining OBD11 Works on your car but this one app does not and yes you do have a power lid fitted.
If you have a Pro version have you tried doing a manual code on it.
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Post by spospo on Jun 29, 2021 5:37:23 GMT
I'm very disappointed and surprised because, my arteon sb MY2021 is referenced on the voltas website, but as I just read here, it can't work ? Does we have news about the new protection ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 8:15:08 GMT
spospo i dont like having to defend Voltas but you are correct you car is supported on there web site. However they also here explain what cars they currently understand are impacted by SFD as VAG Do not publish list's
they also put this narrative
Official and licensed full-featured software is constantly updated with new features. The programming temporarily is not supported on models that are manufactured from 2020 and have SFD protection. The negotiation regarding the support of these models is in progress.
on all the product they are selling as well as the coding section of supported vehicles.
However to be clear at this time I believe you car is on a MQB Platform and is therefore not currently impacted by SFD although in time all VAG Vehicles will be.
I suspect you issue is that you need to have the bonet open in order to do any coding.
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Post by spospo on Jun 29, 2021 8:44:20 GMT
I'll try this tonight. I cross the finger.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 19:34:48 GMT
Saw this on seatcupra.net yesterday Extremely unlikely that will VWAG allow the likes of OBDeleven to access SFD however stranger things have happened. It's a confidential system of which sharing unlock codes is enough to have your authorization revoked. They introduced SFD as a way of preventing the average car enthusiast from modifying their car on their driveway, and in turn creating issues and destroying control modules. Funnily enough modules such as 13 - front radar aren't protected by SFD, so I don't think it's strictly a safety issue. They're likely sick of wasting dealer tech time cleaning up after caristaappapp/OBDeleven gone wrong. We've done 30+ cars due to caristaappapp in the last 12 months, kept us busy to say the least As we now have the appropriate authorization/security access, we can offer coding/retrofit services for the MQBevo platform. My personal view is still that OBD11 Will allow users to make changes, Maybe the cost of this access is hidden in the new charging structure. But I have seen this comment about caristaappapp and OBD11 One click apps creating lots of work for garages on lots of forums.
update OBDAPP Is still out there working on golf8 cupra cars etc
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 14:27:49 GMT
Quick Update, VCDS Now have a beta 21,7 that supports SFD. But before you all get over excited as I read it car-diagnostics.eu/en/blog/detail/sCategory/33/blogArticle/85 this works in the same way as VCP, In other words you need to get the unlock codes outside of VCDS but if you have the correct access or willing to pay others for there access then you can code SFD. But as always happy to be proved wrong. They have tested control units: 09 - Central electrics (BCM) 19 - Diagnostic interface 4B - multifunction controller 5F - information electronics and it all looked good. |
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Post by muskcode on Jul 16, 2021 15:53:00 GMT
I finally got my OBD11 working last night after a few issues. After I was able to connect, I did not see any Jetta's after 2018. I have a 2021 R line and it does not show up in the Vehicles section. I did see other VW models that were 'R' line. Also, I tried a few things like Needle sweep on start up and it said the change was applied. I tstarted the car and NO Needle sweep. Are they running behind with adding new models?
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Post by minix32 on Jul 30, 2021 20:53:55 GMT
The sfd system blocks all writing to modules. A geko account can generate a sfd-token for your module specifically. Every module and every car have a different sfd token. You are able to buy sfd tokens from people like VCTools. It costs 35 euros excluding taxes. It is not possible to write to any module without a token. In the near future it will be possible to patch the firmware. This has to be done to every sfd protected module, so be prepared for some headaches. Hope this helped.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 22:03:12 GMT
what cost for yearly subscription for full access to all control units
what hardware is required
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jul 30, 2021 23:18:32 GMT
Quick Update, VCDS Now have a beta 21,7 that supports SFD. But before you all get over excited as I read it car-diagnostics.eu/en/blog/detail/sCategory/33/blogArticle/85 this works in the same way as VCP, In other words you need to get the unlock codes outside of VCDS but if you have the correct access or willing to pay others for there access then you can code SFD. But as always happy to be proved wrong. They have tested control units: 09 - Central electrics (BCM) 19 - Diagnostic interface 4B - multifunction controller 5F - information electronics and it all looked good. @testeronline : Apropos of our discussion regarding how VOLTAS will (eventually) solve this exact same problem for OBD11 - are your still confident that the fix for OBD11will be any different because of their "special" agreement with VAG - or does the similarity in solution between VCP and now VCDS (i.e. that a token is still needed) suggest that OBD11's answer to SFD will more than likely be the same?
The sfd system blocks all writing to modules. A geko account can generate a sfd-token for your module specifically. Every module and every car have a different sfd token. You are able to buy sfd tokens from people like VCTools. It costs 35 euros excluding taxes. It is not possible to write to any module without a token. In the near future it will be possible to patch the firmware. This has to be done to every sfd protected module, so be prepared for some headaches. Hope this helped.
minix32 : Yes, VCTools currently pimp their GEKO account by separately selling TOKENs @ 35 Euros each - but I'm yet to be convinced that the practice is legal under the terms of their GEKO agreement with VAG (I believe that it is not legal).
So, whilst I've no doubt that the VCP/VCDS SFD solution does actually work, I suggest that buying TOKENS from third-party vendors is temporary only until VAG's massive legal arm stops this activity.
BUT- in any event, even if third-party pimping of TOKENs is allowed to continue, think about what this means to users in the enthusiast market; it means that every time an OBD11 user wants to make a change to a SFD encrusted module (i.e. long-code, adaptation channel, basic setting etc), it will cost 35 EUR!!! And this includes both those wanting to make module changes manually and almost certainly also those wanting to use one-click-APPs
How many OBD11 users in the enthusiast market will tolerate this additional expense? To be frank, the cost of TOKENs at this price to operate OBD11 on new cars makes OBD11's recent extra subscription charge of 25 EURO/year look like a free-gift!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 6:48:37 GMT
testeronline : Apropos of our discussion regarding how VOLTAS will (eventually) solve this exact same problem for OBD11 - are your still confident that the fix for OBD11will be any different because of their "special" agreement with VAG - or does the similarity in solution between VCP and now VCDS (i.e. that a token is still needed) suggest that OBD11's answer to SFD will more than likely be the same? got nothing to do with being confident its me just not understanding the business model of obd11 and vag building an interface that in reality is so expensive to use nobody would pay to use it. As expected the firmware hack business model is on the way (just like the cp removal process) as well
And just to add its not only $35 per go but a yearly subscription fee that gets more expensive to have with the more you want to do hence my question.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 14:41:24 GMT
Just an update on the obdapp tool as a lot of people seem to be looking at it currently.
It has been confirmed on a number of German forums that this dongle is single vin use only.
Secondly OBDApp is Copyright © - OBDAPP is a trademark of stemei.de GmbH
and finally today I saw this on mototalk forum
Nevertheless, the use of the OBD app is in a legal grey area. SFD tokens are lent via the app to people who are not actually authorised to make changes. It is only a question of time how long VW will continue to look at the whole thing. Once Stemei and Co. have been stopped, every owner of this OBD app will definitely be left out in the cold and the money paid will be for nothing. Every user of this app should be aware of this.
Stemei also sell VCDS and VCP on there site.
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Post by brickwalls on Aug 2, 2021 23:22:12 GMT
Australia is just one country working to enshrine the Right To Service in Legislation. The following was published by the Competition Watchdog [ACCC] 18th June 21,
"Once the legislation comes into effect, car manufacturers will have to provide manuals, technical service bulletins, wiring diagrams, technical specifications for components and lubricants and testing procedures to independent repairers at a fair market price."
VW like any Vehicle Manufacturer would have to allow some sort of affordable access (paid or otherwise) to repair information.
Would ODBELEVEN or ODBAPP & others be classed as a repair tool? Most likley IMHO. However a grey area would be; is a "Feature" augmentation (adaptation) classed as a repair?
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Aug 3, 2021 1:54:56 GMT
brickwalls : G'day cobber (I assume that you come from a land down under - where women glow and men chunder)!! 
Whilst I agree that Australia's new "Motor Vehicle Service and Repair Information Sharing Scheme Bill 2021", is a very good step forward - I don't believe that it will do much to help the SFD situation.
As I understand, the new law makes it illegal for car manufacturers to prohibit access to their repair information/facilities by independent workshops and others. For example and again as I understand - to date, independent workshops in Australia have been refused access to VAG's FAZIT database - so they couldn't replace modules in cars that had CP errors (only dealers could do this officially). The new law addresses this type of restrictive trade practice only, not SFD.
So, the new Aussie legislation won't make any difference to the need to use TOKENS for SFD affected cars. The only possible impact of the new legislation will be to stop VAG from refusing to allow independent workshops and others to have GEKO accounts.
Ultimately everyone (including independent workshops, and you and me) will still need to get a TOKEN - and everyone still needs to pay for the provision of the TOKEN - alas!!
As I have said before - NO OBD11 user in the enthusiast market will be able to afford a GEKO account and the current practice of third party companies pimping their GEKO accounts by selling TOKENS is a short term solution only (because the highly dubious practice is almost certainly illegal under the terms of the GEKO account).
Bottom line (IMHO, of course)= It doesn't matter if "ODBELEVEN or ODBAPP & others [are] classed as a repair tool", enthusiasts should forget about using a diagnostic cable (of any sort) to change coding on SFD cars!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 8:03:05 GMT
Europe already has rules about letting independent workshops service cars without affecting warranty. VW Already have a documentation system (certainly in Europe and US) that for a small fee you can access and download Geko account currently is only for the Pro Market (forgetting Illegal sharing) so time will tell how that works but my local VAG Specialist (not a dealer) is able to replace modules, he is even allowed to change the mileage on dashboard (strangely only increase, Dealer's only can decrease). We will have to wait and see why VW Are building an API for OBD11 to use and any cost associated with using it. If I have understood SFD Correctly this is a very simple tool currently, all it is doing is allowing access to code, possibly different codes will give access to different levels of coding (so for example you wont be able to turn off stop start or mess with the ABS Settings / Airbags unless you are a authorized entity). The roll out of Electric cars is also in my view going to lead to component replacement rather than fixing stuff and there is a great video on VCDS Site about what this means to TESLA cars where a simple broken nipple lead to battery pack replacement. Further I also expect there to be some issues around working on Battery packs for Safety reasons not so much of an issue today but down the road there will be a lot of battery issues. If users are locked out full stop then the hackers will have a ready made market to make it worth breaking the security, lets face it my performance MAP on my car only works because companies spend the time and money hacking into Control units to enable the changes. |
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Post by mxt21 on Feb 23, 2023 13:15:34 GMT
Does anybody know how to code the light strip on the new face lift polo to a different colour or to change it in anyway
Thanks
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Feb 23, 2023 20:56:24 GMT
mxt21: hmm......... you might want to re-think whether your question is placed in the correct part of this forum!! Yes, it might be true that "the new face lift Polo" does have SFD protocol - but your question is really about a very specific aspect of this model. My suggestion is that you might get a more informed response if this question was posted in the appropriate Polo section. Don
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