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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 20:37:41 GMT
Thirsty please do not take this as a criticism of you but much more of OBD11 Media / Dev team.
We keep hearing that they are working on it other products have provided (granted for commercial users) full access and that other products have Beta releases that at least read and I think allow coding to non SFD Units.
Can we have a sensible update please.
cjje as far as I am aware your car is not on the MQB Evo platform so currently not impacted by SFD. If you want a definitive answer please contact support via the in app help function they should be able to confirm
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Oct 22, 2020 21:10:13 GMT
This means OBDeleven may not work with SFD vehicles at the moment but it will work once the implementation is done. Thirsty : I certainly do like your confidence and I hope you are correct!!! Without intending any offense to the guys/gals @ OBDeleven, simply having a work-plan to crack SFD doesn't mean that a solution will be found (incidentally, having a work plan implies the establishment of a completion date - which should be made public) I hope my skepticism is ill founded, but from what little information is in the public domain, SFD looks bullet-proof! Don
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Post by Thirsty on Oct 22, 2020 21:16:26 GMT
I certainly do like your confidence and I hope you are correct!!!
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Post by cjje on Oct 23, 2020 17:19:39 GMT
cjje as far as I am aware your car is not on the MQB Evo platform so currently not impacted by SFD.
If you want a definitive answer please contact support via the in app help function they should be able to confirm
Thanks guys, I'm hoping to get my new car in a few weeks' time, so can try OBDeleven out then  |
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Post by OBDeleven on Oct 30, 2020 12:17:58 GMT
We already received the needed documentation from Volkswagen AG and we are testing it. Full SFD implementation will be possible after Volkswagen AG will finish the installation of the application programming interface (API). And they confirmed it should be done in the 1st Quarter of 2021. So, we are completely dependent on Volkswagen AG and will be ready when they are ready. We will keep you updated on the situation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2020 13:04:54 GMT
thank you very much for the update much appreciated.
When you have time and its ready to go it will be good to understand what information is being passed back to VW Group. Just so that people know if they make warranty claims that VW Group will be able to see they have made changes in the past or not.
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Post by kenan on Nov 2, 2020 10:33:12 GMT
I just received my nextgen device. I also activated pro license. And nothing working with my Passat. Apps and Long coding both doesn't working! So the customer support doesn't say truth. They just try to sell more not-working devices...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 10:59:42 GMT
kenan , not defending OBD11 But after much badgering by us they did at least put the following comment under programming Upgraded with PRO license OBDeleven becomes professional diagnostic tool that enables for programming, monitoring, adaptations and much more. The programming temporarily is not supported on models that are manufactured from 2020 and have SFD protection. The negotiation regarding the support of these models is in progress. One other thing to try as I have seen on a few German site that VW Have introduced the Audi feature where you have to have the bonet open in order to do anything.
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Post by kenan on Nov 3, 2020 8:55:54 GMT
Only monitoring anymore. If the SFD protection issue doesn't solve, this is a dead product anymore. If this issue announced well on the site, ı would never buy it. I asked if my car supported and they reply "YES". You asked them and sent their comment that "Passat car supported" on page 2. But "NOT SUPPORTED"...
So the people who think to buy simply "DON'T BUY IT. DON'T BELEIVE THE SUPPORT TEAM'S RESPONSE, THEY SAY LIE, ALL NEW PASSAT DOESN'T SUPPORTED!!!".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 9:31:48 GMT
kenan as I said before i am not supporting OBD11, I think they have been very very poor is telling people about the SFD. However based on what we know and what support have said in the past the Passat is not yet affected. But as i said before i have certainly seen on a number of German sites where the Polo (which is not impacted by SFD Yet) has required the owners to open the bonnet and put on the hand brake before any coding (VCDS Or OBD11) will work have you tried that. If you have then please contact support via the in app help function or on there website and tell them this device is not working. You can also tell them that you were told by Edvinas (support person) that this car is not affected by SFD, But I would strongly advise that you try opening the bonnet first just to double check that feature has not been added. Edvinas, 09:04 AM Passat does not have it yet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 22:41:19 GMT
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Post by kenan on Nov 4, 2020 12:23:31 GMT
Yes, the opening the bonnet workes. Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 12:50:05 GMT
Thanks for confirmation this is what I suspected. No Idea why they introduced this when SFD will be there on all cars in the end.
Anyway just before I go ask support to make sure your car gets notification that bonet must be open to code could you confirm if you are using Android or IOS (Which does not support this helpful feature yet)
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Post by kenan on Nov 4, 2020 19:08:10 GMT
I used my IOS device. But I'm not sure if there is any difference. This is strange that; After first successful apps update (after opening bonnet), i didn't need to open again but used others even i lock my car, remove device, reconnect it etc. This was first try, i don't know if it will be needed to open it tomorrow . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 20:35:30 GMT
I have listed the differences between IOS (Less features) that Android but for this case the difference is that in Android you should get a warning that you need to open the bonnet to do any coding. I have pointed it out to dev team but so far no fix.
Re how long it last's please let us know all I have seen is newer cars wont support it but if you can give more detail that would be much apprciated.
Enjoy coding your car.
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Post by coach82 on Nov 8, 2020 13:58:10 GMT
Hey
I can confirm the following things.
- Coding with OBDELEVEN is possible
- you have to open the engine hood
- i was able to code AirCare saving last position and even the same with Lane Assist saving last position so i did not to deactivate this at every new start.
Everything with new Octavia 4 with MIB3.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 14:58:34 GMT
Yes it seems that the hood open issue is now across the board, very odd when you have SFD As well.
Just as a matter of interest (assuming you use Android as IOS Dont support it yet) did you get a warning that you needed the hood open before coding was accepted.
Have you tried any coding on control unit 09, 19 or 5F as these are the ones that should not allow you to make any changes.
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Post by coach82 on Nov 8, 2020 15:04:46 GMT
Hello
I was using iOS and have only tried to code Climate and Driver Assistence.
But i will try to find out during the next days what is possible and what not.
I‘ve got no warning opening the hood.
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Post by jgaikwad on Nov 8, 2020 15:13:39 GMT
Hello, I recently got a 2020 Tiguan. I am interested in buying an OBD11 device, but not sure if my car has SFD protection. Seeing that the 2020 Passat doesn't, I am hopeful the Tiguan doesn't too. Where can I confirm if it does, or doesn't? Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 16:28:59 GMT
I dont think it has but best talk to support via ths obdeleven.com chat tool and they can confirm you should also double check if you need the bonnet open to code
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Post by redakula on Nov 8, 2020 20:41:03 GMT
What i would like to know is what will be the access conditions for accessing the locked modules?
Will you be able to access them only if you have a corporate account with vag?
If you need to be a registered workshop in order to code protected modules with OBDeleven that kills the entire hobbyist market...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 21:32:17 GMT
redakula at this stage there is no definitive answer to your question but we know there are tools out there already to support coding obdappshop.de/VW-Fahrzeugcodierung/VW-Golf/VW-Golf-8-CD/ and OBD11 does support coding to non SFD Control units and vcds have a beta release that should support non sfd coding. Further OBD11 Have already confirmed that VAG Will have an API in Q1 Next year and I personally can see no way that this would require the user to have a GEKO or ODIS account.
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Post by josh79 on Nov 9, 2020 2:55:40 GMT
I traded in my 2018 GTI SE for a 2021 GTI SE. So far I've been able to disable the soundaktor and the driver seat belt warning indicator and I enabled windows up from the remote. The soundaktor and seat belt adaptation did not work until I popped the hood. The windows up mod worked fine, 31347 access, ZV Komfort, etc. I work at a VW dealer and honestly will say that haven't spent enough time with post 2020 VW's to explore and tweak. I'm hesitant to dig too far into all the modules especially in 5F multimedia. So far there's a few glitches with the mib3 functionality and we're awaiting additional information regarding the issue. There's a lot more carnet stuff, Verizon stuff and nhtsa restrictions compared to my 2018. I'll post any other successful mods when I get a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 9:11:17 GMT
Well that's very interesting and does not make sense to what we have been told previously.
May i ask what country you are in and just to confirm you coded in Control unit 09 on the Golf 8
so far we have been told this control unit has SFD So no coding is possible.
Thanks
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Post by coach82 on Nov 9, 2020 15:55:45 GMT
I can‘t code in Control unit 09. Actually i only can code in A5 (Driver Assistence) and Climate Control. All other not possible but better than some months ago...
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Post by josh79 on Nov 11, 2020 1:24:01 GMT
Testeronline, I'm in the USA... As of today I am unable to read the central electronics module "INFO". Obdeleven crashes immediately after selecting info. I also cannot backup any modules anymore. The app returns a unknown error occurred message. I do have a original backup though. I'm guessing it has something to do with the obdeleven app update that took place yesterday (android). As soon as I get a little spare time at work I'll dive a little deeper, I don't want to be too far from Odis if I mess something up.
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Post by josh79 on Nov 11, 2020 2:27:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 8:33:46 GMT
josh79 thanks for info, as you are in the US i am guessing you have a golf 7.5 not 8 as i don't think you get that till 2022 so not sure if you are impacted by SFD yet or the dreaded bonnet open to code feature.
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Post by josh79 on Nov 11, 2020 16:49:13 GMT
You are correct, the 2022 MK8 is not going to be released here until late next year. As for being able to perform the adaptations on my 2021, I was able to adapt the window up from the remote feature as normal. I then tried disabling the seat belt light and soundaktor and faced errors within the app. After reading on here about having to open the hood with Audi I figured I would try it and it worked. This could have been a coincidence as I did not try to perform the adaptation as I normally would (hood closed). Obdeleven is very buggy with this car. I still have access to my 2018 and can confirm that obdeleven still reads and writes to all applicable modules as it always has. Comparing data from the 2021 MK7.5 to the previous Mk7.5's is definitely different. Obviously MIB3 infotainment is different but it's the central electronics module data that makes it look like a completely different car. Without being able to read any of the data with obdeleven anymore is frustrating. I do have another generic tool to test out on it but everything will be in German, it's a LAUNCH TECH X431. I'll keep you posted if I find anything useful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 18:10:02 GMT
Yes this is a typical issue with US Motors being different to Europe. So firstly we are seeing lots of VW and Skoda Cars in Euro now needing to have the bonnet open before they are able to code. This thread forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/22080/#post-215834 has some VCDS Extracts from 2021 Euro cars and I know they (vcds) had to do some development so you could read control unit 09. I would wonder (and I know nothing) that maybe OBD11 Thinks you have a EURO 2021 Car rather than a US one hence some of the issues unless VW in there wisdom decided to give the US Golf 7.5 Body with newer control units. Time will tell |
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