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Post by mencey on Nov 30, 2021 17:17:53 GMT
ik4nmf : haha..... I know what you mean, but the pedant in me makes me say "NO" - a lead weight likely wouldn't work (in the same way that a bottle that was completely full of water wouldn't work).
To generate the correct kind of forces needed to simulate a human's response on the steering wheel, a constant "extra" weight is not sufficient!!
It's actually the continuously-changing forces that are created by the water sloshing about inside the bottle that are needed for this trick! So, make sure that your bottle isn't full (of course if the bottle is too empty, it won't generate enough variable forces, or it will be difficult to hold in the steering wheel - so it's ultimately a compromise)!!
Don
It is ridiculous to put a bottle of water on the steering wheel. We are complaining that it bothers us to be offering resistance to the turning of the steering wheel every 15 seconds. That's why we are trying to find out if we have a capacitive sensor in the steering wheel to code it properly. Are you suggesting as a solution to carry a bottle in the car and stick it to the steering wheel? That's not only illegal and dangerous, it's also illegal and dangerous, you open the door to not paying attention to your driving, you'll probably end up at the bottom of a ravine. |
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Post by newty on Dec 4, 2021 12:57:40 GMT
Regarding this, sideAssist is just one coding in the camera: SWA (Spurwechselassistent) It cannot be that Side Assist is just a coding in SWA. Look at the kit sold by KUFATEC, it comes with it: ECU right rear radar ECU rear radar left Right mirror LED Left mirror LED Wiring and dongle with coding. The rear radar is supposed to detect rear traffic approaching your car and warns you with the mirror LEDs not to change lanes. That can't be done by the camera alone, it needs the information from the radar. This part of the coding does not work for us because we do not have the radar and the only thing that it would cause would be that the event log would be corrupted with multiple errors of not receiving data from the radar and not being able to turn on the LEDs of the mirrors. That is why the Travel Assist configuration without side assist is the right one for us. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) Of course Sideassist is more than just ticking a Bit. Come on, please read it in context! We were talking about the differences in the camera for SideAssist, nothing else. For a Side Assist retrofit, you would need to do a lot more, but that is not topic here. |
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Post by AlBundy on Dec 7, 2021 12:52:42 GMT
Hello everybody.
Today, with the help of info on this topic, I also activated Travel Assist.
In the coming days I will see how it works. I will consider purchasing a capacitive steering wheel to be fully functional.
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Post by mencey on Dec 8, 2021 12:48:29 GMT
Tomorrow Thursday I get the capacitive steering wheel, I don't know if there is anyone on the forum who knows about "AirBags"?
The steering wheel comes without the AirBag and when I change it I have to put the "AirBag" from my original steering wheel. Does anyone know if it is necessary to take special care when connecting it?
Do I have to disconnect the 12v. battery to do it?
Do I forget to put it myself and take it to a garage and have it put in by someone specialised in it?
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Post by misuvi on Dec 8, 2021 14:58:12 GMT
The airbag must be installed from an expert.
All this in a commercial environment with expertise proof.
Especially if you have no idea what you are doing,
it can be dangerous.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Dec 8, 2021 22:20:46 GMT
It is ridiculous to put a bottle of water on the steering wheel. We are complaining that it bothers us to be offering resistance to the turning of the steering wheel every 15 seconds. That's why we are trying to find out if we have a capacitive sensor in the steering wheel to code it properly. @ mencey : hmm........ lighten-up (please). In ALL of my responses, I make a couple of fundamental assumptions about those reading posts on this forum; they are responsible adults and they have an IQ of 100 - at least !!
I know that they are adults because they have a driver's license and as to their IQ...... well, I simply assume that if they are considering these types of changes to the steering wheel - they have a certain intelligence.
For clarity - I extend the same courtesies to you!!  Are you suggesting as a solution to carry a bottle in the car and stick it to the steering wheel? I am not suggesting any such thing!!!If you re-read my post in which I introduced the water bottle solution, you should be able to understand that my example was used to suggest (perhaps even, to demonstrate) that debate about capactive impedance being the reason why the warning message appears, may be incorrect.
My point (which I hope at least some who have properly read my post have understood) is that if the warning message can be defeated with the water-bottle solution, capacitive impedance can't be the cause of the message. This has to be true because a plastic water bottle doesn't change the capacitive impedance of the steering wheel (because the water bottle isn't connected to earth in any way)!!
This was what I was suggesting!!!
That's not only illegal and dangerous, it's also illegal and dangerous, you open the door to not paying attention to your driving, you'll probably end up at the bottom of a ravine. hmm..... I suspect that you may have missed the sublime irony of your statement above!!!
How do you view the legality and the safety implications of DIY on the entire project of self installing the Travel Assist function - which includes removing replacing air-bags and entrusting a "self-drive" function to a first-time, non-professional installer (I mean no offense in characterizing your attributes so - doubtless, you are a highly skilled individual, but I assume from the questions that you ask that the descriptors are facts)?
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Post by mencey on Dec 9, 2021 11:58:31 GMT
dv52 (Australia):
It's true that I read over your comment and I drew the wrong conclusions from it, sometimes one goes with little time available, I apologise. Best regards. |
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Post by mencey on Dec 10, 2021 9:32:04 GMT
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Post by fiekid4 on Dec 11, 2021 12:15:40 GMT
Hello forum members,
I am new to this forum and obdeleven coding and I am following this thread with great interest. After carefull reading I can also confirm that travel assist works on my ID 4 Pro build date 6-2021
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Post by mencey on Dec 23, 2021 12:47:22 GMT
Be careful with the coding of Byte 5 if you have matrix leds or dynamic light control you should leave this byte as it comes from the factory, so as not to de-configure the roadside assistance of the leds or matrix leds.  |
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Post by fiekid4 on Dec 28, 2021 17:19:00 GMT
mencey thanks for the heads up. I have reverted the travel assist activation, because IT gives too many warnings while driving straight and I have my hands on the wheel. Too bad. I find the standard lane assist option bad compared to the lane assist I had on my previous Skoda Superb. It kept the car in the centre of the lane and after about 20 seconds it gave a warning. But touching the wheel was enough for the car to detect something. Maybe my old superb had a capacitive steering wheel.
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Post by mencey on Dec 29, 2021 18:06:11 GMT
It seems that if I had it
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Post by nokkeri on Dec 29, 2021 21:27:09 GMT
mencey: what luck you have had with that steering wheel change? Have you successfully coded capasitive sensing to work?
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Post by mencey on Dec 31, 2021 10:14:35 GMT
I haven't installed it yet, for fear of the airbag exploding while handling. I have to go to a workshop with qualified personnel in airbag explosives and have it installed with all its safety guarantee. I will report back if it works or not. You can get a steering wheel on Ebay if you decide to, that's why I put the labelling with the spare part numbers, so that the buyer doesn't make a mistake. There are several models of steering wheels and some have the capacitive sensor and others do not.
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Post by nokkeri on Dec 31, 2021 18:48:22 GMT
Yeah! Already ordered week ago. Before that I checked my steering wheel if it would just require control box as there were rumours that heated steering wheels would also have capasitive sensors and only lacking control box. I have some experience with car repairs though so getting the airbag out wasn't that difficult. And I can confirm that there ain't capasitive sensors and control box inside steering wheel at least in my nordic config ID4 with heated steering wheel.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Dec 31, 2021 20:42:05 GMT
I can confirm that there ain't capasitive sensors and control box inside steering wheel at least in my nordic config ID4 with heated steering wheel. As I have said:
if the warning message can be defeated with the water-bottle solution, capacitive impedance can't be the cause of the message. This has to be true because a plastic water bottle doesn't change the capacitive impedance of the steering wheel (because the water bottle isn't connected to earth in any way)!! The plastic bottle is electrically and physically separate to the car's control circuits - the warning message must be caused by the need for physical resistance provided by the driver against the electrically created motive force to keep the car in the lane (I think) |
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Post by mencey on Jan 1, 2022 17:03:40 GMT
nokkeri 22 hours ago via mobile Reply Quote Post Options Post by nokkeri on 22 hours ago Yeah! Already ordered week ago. Before that I checked my steering wheel if it would just require control box as there were rumours that heated steering wheels would also have capasitive sensors and only lacking control box. I have some experience with car repairs though so getting the airbag out wasn't that difficult. And I can confirm that there ain't capasitive sensors and control box inside steering wheel at least in my nordic config ID4 with heated steering wheel.
How nice ... did you remove the airbag yourself?
Could you explain how you did it?
Do you have to remove the negative terminal of the 12v battery and wait 30 minutes?
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Post by mencey on Jan 1, 2022 17:55:34 GMT
dv52 (Australia)
The plastic bottle is electrically and physically separate to the car's control circuits - the warning message must be caused by the need for physical resistance provided by the driver against the electrically created motive force to keep the car in the lane (I think)
The message does not come up because the water bottle is offering resistance continuously, not as a conductor. The water swings back and forth continuously as you would do when the message comes up.
There is also another detail that comes out in the ECU 05 errors when using TA without capacitive handwheel. And that is that the gateway does not detect the signal on the sensor can bus and messes up the ID.3 event log.
I don't think so in the case of Travel Assist. So why do they sell a steering wheel with a capacitive sensor?
The steering wheel that is specified for TA is the 10A419089 N YPG gen2 2021 if you look at the label it comes with this description M / - / H / HOD
M = Multifunction keys
H = Heated
HOD- = HandOnDevice
"--" = would be Tiptronic ... does not exist (yet) with the ID.
If you don't have the capacitive sensor steering wheel installed when using the ACC with stop and go function, if you are standing in a queue and you are stationary for more than 8 seconds, it doesn't start to drive forward on its own, you have to step on the accelerator or press the RES button on the steering wheel to start to drive forward again. If you have the capacitive steering wheel installed and you are touching your steering wheel there is no time limit for the ACC to start driving forward on its own, it will always do so no matter how long it takes.
Our current TA configuration without a capacitive steering wheel that obeys the mechanical opposition force is a holdover from earlier vw models such as the passat. in the case of ACC that does not restart, a bottle of water is no good because it uses the capacitive sensor to know if you are holding the steering wheel.
When installing the capacitive steering wheel and configuring its coding I think that mechanically opposing the turning of the steering wheel is despised by the operating system because there are videos on youtube that the driver only rubs with a finger on the steering wheel and the TA is not deconnected. that system is also active, yes but it goes to the background and really the capacitive sensor is the one that really takes out all the functionality of the TA.
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Post by nokkeri on Jan 1, 2022 19:32:52 GMT
You can have good idea how to do it on following video:
That steering column cover is bit more tight place and it is designed to be removed towards steering wheel(which obviously ain't possible since there is no space). But it is easily removed upwards also. When you are replacing the steering wheel I would put it back in place when there is no steering wheel in place.
Then those airbag clips: there ain't that much room since the dashboard display is attached to steering column. I made "special tool" by bending 3inch nail to 80 degrees angle from the middle for it since the screwdriver won't fit there. With that it is actually quite easy to unclip the airbag one side at the time. Only awkward thing was that horn starts sounding as soon as the first side gets unclipped and will sound until you managed to unclip the other side as well. Getting airbag in place later on is way easier as you just press it firmly and those clips attach the airbag back in place.
I didn't disconnect the connectors as I could look all details necessary to figure out that my steering wheel doesn't have necessary equipment (sticker doesn't have that "HOD"-marking, there ain't any sensor wiring visible and control box also missing).
I guess the removing negative connector from 12v battery is recommended, but it ain't required. It won't blow up just by removing the connector. Seat airbag wirings get bad especially in 2-door coupes (as you have to bend seat forward to get in the back seat) and those don't blow up either.
And what mencey said about that capasitive sensing of hands is correct. I have tested car with travel assist from the factory. I have also seen it in youtube videos in which they test ID4.
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Post by sq3fyk on Jan 3, 2022 14:13:11 GMT
Hi
UPDATE: Also working Emergency Assist too part of the Travel assist , before try not working  |
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Post by mencey on Jan 4, 2022 10:05:56 GMT
What model of ID do you have?
Does the capacitive steering wheel work or do you have to move the wheel back and forth?
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Post by sq3fyk on Jan 4, 2022 14:23:13 GMT
Pure version , non-capacitive steering wheel  Regards |
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Post by claude9 on Jan 5, 2022 16:24:43 GMT
I can confirm that there ain't capasitive sensors and control box inside steering wheel at least in my nordic config ID4 with heated steering wheel. How did you understand that? |
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Post by nokkeri on Jan 5, 2022 19:38:58 GMT
I looked inside my steering wheel. There should be touch sensor control box(3G0.959.542.A) and there isn't. And if there would be sensors but just without control box, there should be those sensor's wirings visible near the place that control box should be. And there isn't those either. And the sticker inside with steering wheel reads steering wheel config describing that it have buttons and heating but lacks shift paddles and touch sensing.
But my car is nordic config ID4 pro produced just after 1st editions. So you may keep your hope alive that you have different config steering wheel if your car is something else.
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Post by nokkeri on Jan 14, 2022 17:07:43 GMT
I just changed the steering wheel to capasitive one. Fairly simple task. Everything as it was presented in the video I mentioned couple post back. It took about 25 minutes. Then about 5 minutes with dongle. Everything works as it should. One error remained still though ("additional installations detected"  ). Have to look into that later. Now it drives nicely without warnings as you just lightly touch the steering wheel. Touch recognition can be monitored under gateway module realtime data. Only sensor1 value changes as you touch the steering wheel. I don't know if it is really required, but I also changed the bit "travel assist" on ACC(Module 13) to "activated". So my changes were: Module A5 KLR: -> coded Ea variante: -> ea_variante 2 Hc variante: -> hc_variante 2 Hc point of intevention: -> early (it is that way on ID.4 with travel assist factory fitted) Module 13 Capasitive steering wheel: -> installed Travel assist: -> activated |
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Post by mencey on Jan 17, 2022 11:03:50 GMT
Thank you for the new coding with KLR.
You say you changed the steering wheel. Did you remove the 12v battery to do the capacitive flywheel replacement?
I have heard that if you don't remove it to make the change you run the risk of the airgab exploding, is this true?
I have the capacitive flywheel but I haven't changed it yet for that reason.
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Post by nokkeri on Jan 17, 2022 18:50:23 GMT
I would recommend disconnecting negative connector from 12v battery although risk of exploding the airbag is really marginal. It is very easy task as the battery is in easy location under the hood. It just makes procedure little bit longer as you should wait some time. You have to unclip the airbag first though as the steering wheel lock engages as you disconnect the battery and you need to be able to turn the steering wheel to get airbag unclipped. Then disconnect the battery, wait 15 minutes and then disconnect the airbag connectors.
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Post by mencey on Jan 18, 2022 10:18:44 GMT
OK, Thank you
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Post by born on Jan 18, 2022 19:40:58 GMT
Today i adjusted my Cupra Born after reading this thread multiple times and can confirm Travel Assist is working!
Sadly the Born doesn’t have the capacitive wheel so constant steering input is needed to let the system know you are still alive.
A5 Driver Assistance
Original long code:
03 08 30 2A 15 45 08 E1 07 24 20
Adjusted long code: (TA + VZE, no KLR)
03 08 30 2A 15 45 00 F4 17 24 20
What i noticed, my code is a little different to the id.3 code (F4 17 24 instead of F4 16 24).
This difference is caused by the following setting:
Digit 8 Bit 0, is called “Rem e horizon” and Active(1) by default on the Born, for the id cars this setting is Inactive(0).
Does anyone have any clue what this setting controls and if i should disable?
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Post by naranzeta on Jan 19, 2022 1:24:16 GMT
I'm thinking of buying a capacitive steering wheel but I can't find its reference in etka, since I know what reference I have to ask for, M/ Hod/H does not appear...  |
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). Have to look into that later. Now it drives nicely without warnings as you just lightly touch the steering wheel. Touch recognition can be monitored under gateway module realtime data. Only sensor1 value changes as you touch the steering wheel.