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Post by mencey on Nov 23, 2021 12:03:48 GMT
This should be the coding of an ID.3 with factory travel assist and KLR, I don't know if you are going to try it. CODIFICACION A5 Y STG13 EN ID.3 CON TA DE SERIE CON KLR STG A5: 00 08 30 2E 15 01 10 E4 16 24 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 (acces code 20103) SFD
STG13: 01 83 18 F0 40 71 40 45 12 47 40 08 00 00 40 C5 AF 40 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 23, 2021 13:34:52 GMT
It's a real brainstorming... the ID3 and ID4 codings are a bit different, I think the only thing to do is to join the minds and try to understand the exact meaning of each byte.
Or the second possibility is to insert the items on the table indicating for example "active" or not "active" then see what happens but I don't like to do without knowing what I do ...
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 23, 2021 15:48:09 GMT
I would say that everything is clear, there remains only a doubt on byte 4 of the STG A5 which according to the PDF you entered should be 17 to have the KLR activated instead, in the string you entered relating to an ID3 with the travel assist installed by the factory the byte 4 is 15. Tomorrow if I have some time I try to enter these values so I check if it is true that I have the capacitive steering wheel on my ID3...
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Post by sijk on Nov 23, 2021 15:58:29 GMT
This should be the coding of an ID.3 with factory travel assist and KLR, I don't know if you are going to try it. STG A5: 00 08 30 2E 15 01 10 E4 16 24 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 STG13: 01 83 18 F0 40 71 40 45 12 47 40 08 00 00 40 C5 AF 40 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 If the ID.4 pdf is to be trusted: STG A5 byte 4 (0x15) bit 1 KLR is OFF even when the car has KLR. But STG13 byte 2 (0x18) bit 3 Capacitive steering wheel is ON. Could following changes (marked bold in the quoted message) be enough to enable also capacitive steering wheel? I have just ordered my OBDeleven so can't try myself. STG A5 as discussed earlier: Byte 6 bit 2–4: HC point of intervention: late → early_setting_over_menu Byte 7 bit 1–3: Emergency assist variante: Not_coded → Ea_variante_2 Byte 8 bit 3–6: HC variante: Hc_variante_0 → Hc_variante_2 e.g. 08 E0 06 → 10 E4 16. STG13: Byte 2 bit 3: Capacitive steering wheel: 0 → 1 e.g. 0x10 → 0x18. |
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 23, 2021 16:17:53 GMT
Ok, I think I understand, thanks in the meantime then tomorrow I will do some tests
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Post by ID.3 on Nov 23, 2021 18:02:36 GMT
This should be the coding of an ID.3 with factory travel assist and KLR, I don't know if you are going to try it. CODIFICACION A5 Y STG13 EN ID.3 CON TA DE SERIE CON KLR STG A5: 00 08 30 2E 15 01 10 E4 16 24 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 (acces code 20103) SFD
STG13: 01 83 18 F0 40 71 40 45 12 47 40 08 00 00 40 C5 AF 40 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Hi, are your documents official? you would not have the same document to understand how to code to activate the ar speakers of the car? you just have to activate the fader, but how do you do that? |
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Post by mencey on Nov 23, 2021 20:15:16 GMT
There is already a topic about that on the forum, please ask there, this thread is from Travel Assist
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Post by ID.3 on Nov 23, 2021 20:47:23 GMT
Ok sorry
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 24, 2021 15:49:13 GMT
I tried to modify bytes 2 and 3 of the STG 13 but an error message appears on the display "travel assist not available" and a bus communication failure error code on the app. At this point I tried to activate the KLR in the STG A5 byte 4 bringing it to 17 hex but it doesn't work anyway. At this point I reported the values as before the change and deleted the error codes and the travel assist started working again. I therefore believe that, or it is not true that my car like the others sold in Italy without travel assist has the capacitive steering wheel installed or, some other modification is needed in another control unit (gateway) as suggested by newty to whom I ask if can you explain in more detail ... You can check if your gateways apk "control unit for steering wheel touch recognition" is set to "dataset 2" I could not find the "apk" entry in the gateway control unit |
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Post by kossu on Nov 24, 2021 16:27:33 GMT
I tried to modify bytes 2 and 3 of the STG 13 but an error message appears on the display "travel assist not available" and a bus communication failure error code on the app. At this point I tried to activate the KLR in the STG A5 byte 4 bringing it to 17 hex but it doesn't work anyway. At this point I reported the values as before the change and deleted the error codes and the travel assist started working again. I therefore believe that, or it is not true that my car like the others sold in Italy without travel assist has the capacitive steering wheel installed or, some other modification is needed in another control unit (gateway) as suggested by newty to whom I ask if can you explain in more detail ... I've also tried playing with same settings. Changing them together and separately. And have similar results, same errors and only getting TA back by changing settings back AND clearing error messages. I was told that heated steering wheel should be capacitive, but I'm starting to think that's not true. |
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 24, 2021 16:33:32 GMT
I have a heated steering wheel but we would need a certain confirmation ... let's see if some experts can give us a tip.
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Post by newty on Nov 24, 2021 17:01:09 GMT
APK... Sorry, sometimes the German engineer inside my head speaks freely without translation. AnPassungsKanäle -> Adaptions.
As pointed out before: There is a sub-ecu inside the steering wheel for sensing the touch. Why should you deploy to all cars, even when not needed. The wheel itself might have sensors, but when the ECU is missing, you gain nothing from it.
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Post by mencey on Nov 24, 2021 17:03:16 GMT
My steering wheel is also heated, let's wait for newty's advice. I don't know what's going on but it's almost certainly a lack of capacitive sensor.
I think to make it work we will have to buy an ID.3 capacitive steering wheel or adapt one from a Passat b8.
I wish heated steering wheels were capacitive.
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Post by mencey on Nov 24, 2021 18:39:34 GMT
I am trying to get someone to pass me a configuration of A5 and STG13 after mounting a capacitive steering wheel that he has bought. this is better because the ones that come configured from the factory their coding includes Side Assist and we don't have side assist. this person bought a steering wheel and has successfully coded the steering wheel and it is working perfectly. i am waiting for your response on the meinid forum. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) |
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Post by mencey on Nov 24, 2021 19:12:26 GMT
In the gateway (19) there are two parameters that I have not seen and that may be related to the activation of the capacitive steering wheel.
1 .- Multifunction steering wheel extended adaption
2 .- UCp. steering wheel grip detection (this one is more significant)
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Post by newty on Nov 24, 2021 19:35:32 GMT
My steering wheel is also heated, let's wait for newty's advice. I don't know what's going on but it's almost certainly a lack of capacitive sensor.
I think to make it work we will have to buy an ID.3 capacitive steering wheel or adapt one from a Passat b8.
I wish heated steering wheels were capacitive.
Not neccessarily. In early Golf 8 days you had to decide to have capacitive or heated steering. I just had a look at the wiring diagrams from ID3 and ID4. ID4 is outdated with no capacitive steering at all, but ID4 has it. Both are optional and wired in a way that you can have one or the other or both I am trying to get someone to pass me a configuration of A5 and STG13 after mounting a capacitive steering wheel that he has bought. this is better because the ones that come configured from the factory their coding includes Side Assist and we don't have side assist. this person bought a steering wheel and has successfully coded the steering wheel and it is working perfectly. i am waiting for your response on the meinid forum. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) Regarding this, sideAssist is just one coding in the camera: SWA (Spurwechselassistent) In the gateway (19) there are two parameters that I have not seen and that may be related to the activation of the capacitive steering wheel. 1 .- Multifunction steering wheel extended adaption 2 .- UCp. steering wheel grip detection (this one is more significant) 1. My example ID3 I use for research has it and is set to Configuration 4 - no idea what that means. 2. Grip detection is a live data point of the subsystem for capacitive steering we cannot access with OBD11 as far as I see it. I used ODIS earlier to give you information on how the ECU works. |
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Post by mencey on Nov 24, 2021 19:48:13 GMT
ok thanks for the information I'll end up buying a steering wheel in the end  |
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Post by mencey on Nov 25, 2021 13:41:59 GMT
If you want to buy the official VW ID.3 steering wheel with heating and capacitive touch control unit, this is the VW part number:
10A419089N YPG
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Post by mencey on Nov 25, 2021 13:45:53 GMT
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 25, 2021 16:56:06 GMT
Is it possible in some way to recognize the capacitive steering wheel from the outside without removing anything?
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 25, 2021 16:59:42 GMT
P.S.
For your information, yesterday I received the OTA 2.3 update and tonight he installed it plus two more updates this morning and, nothing has been overwritten, the encoding has remained as I had written it.
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Post by claude9 on Nov 25, 2021 18:10:32 GMT
If you want to buy the official VW ID.3 steering wheel with heating and capacitive touch control unit, this is the VW part number: 10A419089N YPG mmm every ID pro has a steering wheel with heating and capacitive touch control unit, how do you know this one is different and has capacitive hands detection? |
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Post by ID.3 on Nov 26, 2021 5:38:36 GMT
With ETKA  Choose CarProg then your car
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 26, 2021 6:27:41 GMT
ik4nmf : hmm.......... I'm not sure that the requirement to hold the steering wheel has anything to do with capacitance, or capacitive switching. My hunch, (emphasize "guess") is that the steering wheel needs to sense a resistance (being a force, not an electric impedance) that counters the the position of the steering wheel which is calculated by the travel-assist algoritm. I don't think that it matters whether the counter force is in the direction of the steering wheel movement, or whether it is opposite to the calculated direction - there simply needs to be an extra physical force provided by something during a set regular period to disable the beep. I deliberately say "by something", rather than "by someone" because the counter force doesn't need a be provided by a human - as can be verified in the video below:
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 26, 2021 8:43:11 GMT
A poor man autopilot  ... one could think of a clip with a piece of lead weighing a few hundred grams to attach to the wheel when travel assist is activated...  |
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 26, 2021 20:33:19 GMT
ik4nmf : haha..... I know what you mean, but the pedant in me makes me say "NO" - a lead weight likely wouldn't work (in the same way that a bottle that was completely full of water wouldn't work).
To generate the correct kind of forces needed to simulate a human's response on the steering wheel, a constant "extra" weight is not sufficient!!
It's actually the continuously-changing forces that are created by the water sloshing about inside the bottle that are needed for this trick! So, make sure that your bottle isn't full (of course if the bottle is too empty, it won't generate enough variable forces, or it will be difficult to hold in the steering wheel - so it's ultimately a compromise)!!
Don
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Post by ID.3 on Nov 27, 2021 11:38:16 GMT
by the water which laps inside, it is very cute as a sentence.
Otherwise technically we call, the movement of water, is the effect "Ballant"
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Post by mencey on Nov 29, 2021 13:55:14 GMT
Well I have decided to buy a steering wheel with capacitive sensors, as soon as I get it I will try the KLR coding and I will tell you if it works or not.
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 29, 2021 16:31:24 GMT
Thanks mencey for your beta testing work
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Post by mencey on Nov 30, 2021 17:04:50 GMT
Regarding this, sideAssist is just one coding in the camera: SWA (Spurwechselassistent) It cannot be that Side Assist is just a coding in SWA. Look at the kit sold by KUFATEC, it comes with it: ECU right rear radar ECU rear radar left Right mirror LED Left mirror LED Wiring and dongle with coding. The rear radar is supposed to detect rear traffic approaching your car and warns you with the mirror LEDs not to change lanes. That can't be done by the camera alone, it needs the information from the radar. This part of the coding does not work for us because we do not have the radar and the only thing that it would cause would be that the event log would be corrupted with multiple errors of not receiving data from the radar and not being able to turn on the LEDs of the mirrors. That is why the Travel Assist configuration without side assist is the right one for us. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) |
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... one could think of a clip with a piece of lead weighing a few hundred grams to attach to the wheel when travel assist is activated... 