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Post by ik4nmf on Oct 11, 2021 15:34:49 GMT
Hello,
does anyone have any idea if it is possible to activate the travel assist on the ID.3 with OBD Eleven?
I know that this operation has already been performed, as well as many other options have been activated,
but I don't know with which hardware.
Thanks in advance,
Fausto
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Post by mencey on Oct 30, 2021 10:37:47 GMT
STG A5 Werkseinstellung
00 08 30 2A 15 01 08 E0 06 24 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
STG A5 TA ohne VZE
00 08 30 2A 15 01 10 E4 16 A4 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
STG A5 TA mit VZE
00 08 30 2A 15 01 10 E4 16 24 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
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Post by icemanz123 on Nov 11, 2021 13:42:11 GMT
is it enough to change these parameters to activate the travel assist?
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 11, 2021 16:39:15 GMT
Thank you very much mencey for the reply. But I ask you one thing, since I have no experience and I would not want to get into trouble, can you tell me the procedure I need to follow or, tell me where I can find the procedure to change the code string?
Fausto
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Post by twist029a on Nov 11, 2021 16:46:48 GMT
Enter in the Control Unit "Driver Assistance"
click on "long coding" Click on 0/1 in order to display the hexadecimal code
In the following link, you have for each Byte the bit(s) you must activate
edit : (not yet tested by me)
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 11, 2021 17:03:41 GMT
I watched some videos on youtube and I think I understand the procedure.
I imagine that not having the "travel assist" button on the steering wheel, in this way when I switch on the ACC instead of lane assist the car keeps the center of the lane, is it correct?
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Post by twist029a on Nov 11, 2021 17:47:37 GMT
Ok, i've just codded that a few minutes ago
STG A5 TA mit VZE
00 08 30 2A 15 01 10 E4 16 24 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Code is accepted
Travel assist button on the steering wheel is now highligted and you can click on it
I'm going to drive the car in 3 hours... so I could giving you a feedback
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Post by twist029a on Nov 11, 2021 21:56:35 GMT
Hi everyone,
It works 🙂👍
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Post by dmortimer3001 on Nov 11, 2021 23:36:37 GMT
I’ve not got my id3 yet but this was one of the things I wanted to add, certainly won’t be paying money to put it on my order. Cheers guys for trying it out.
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 12, 2021 8:03:37 GMT
Code is accepted Travel assist button on the steering wheel is now highligted and you can click on it So the activation button on the steering wheel is there and, when you activate the travel assist, does that also activate? |
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Post by twist029a on Nov 12, 2021 11:57:27 GMT
yes !
I've checked another thing this morning: no travel assist menu, but it doesn't matter for me.
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 12, 2021 16:22:11 GMT
I coded the travel assist after reading the instructions at least 10 times ... it's great, thanks mencey and twist029a for the tips.
The car maintains the center of the lane perfectly and also manages to take fairly tight turns.
Now it would be nice to be able to deactivate or at least lengthen the intervention time of the "beep" and the words "now drive the driver" which is followed by the deactivation of the travel assist but, perhaps I am asking too much ... actually the deactivation intervention is quite invasive , the time is about 10 seconds and, it is not enough to touch the steering wheel but it is necessary to hold it with both hands or to move the steering wheel a little to the right or left.
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Post by dmortimer3001 on Nov 12, 2021 21:09:15 GMT
Does the travel assist give you any info on the instruments other than the green icons? Does the id3 have the predictive ACC with travel assist?
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Post by ID.3 on Nov 13, 2021 8:07:04 GMT
I coded the travel assist after reading the instructions at least 10 times ... it's great, thanks mencey and twist029a for the tips. The car maintains the center of the lane perfectly and also manages to take fairly tight turns. Now it would be nice to be able to deactivate or at least lengthen the intervention time of the "beep" and the words "now drive the driver" which is followed by the deactivation of the travel assist but, perhaps I am asking too much ... actually the deactivation intervention is quite invasive , the time is about 10 seconds and, it is not enough to touch the steering wheel but it is necessary to hold it with both hands or to move the steering wheel a little to the right or left.
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 13, 2021 12:47:43 GMT
So if I perform the coding described in this link,the interval in which the system asks me to put my hands on the steering wheel would be lengthened, is correct ? |
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Post by 666djb on Nov 13, 2021 14:15:19 GMT
Hi, I've just coded this on my ID.4 and it sort of works: the Travel Assist button lights up on the steering wheel and when ACC is activated by pressing the Set button, I can then press the Travel Assist button and the car keeps in the lane. But, every time I press the brake pedal or the 0/1 button to temporarily turn off ACC, when I press Res to resume ACC, travel assist is not activated. Is this normal behaviour?
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Post by ID.3 on Nov 13, 2021 16:23:40 GMT
So if I perform the coding described in this link,the interval in which the system asks me to put my hands on the steering wheel would be lengthened, is correct ? no i don't think you will just have less ping pon effect on the road |
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 14, 2021 9:23:54 GMT
Ok I understand ... the goal would be to be able to lengthen the time between each request from the car to get your hands on the steering wheel. Now apparently the request occurs after 15 seconds that you do not move the steering wheel, a bit too frequent so as to make the use of the travel assist almost more annoying than useful. I noticed that it is not enough to keep your hands on the steering wheel, it is necessary to move it a little every now and then otherwise the beep beep starts ...
If you are traveling on the motorway, it is almost better to use simple lane assist rather than travel assist which, if you go straight without approaching the lane lines, the "now drive the driver" warning never activates.
Now I have no idea if this 15 second time is accessible data that can be programmed?
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Post by monkeyhanger on Nov 14, 2021 9:50:49 GMT
STG A5 Werkseinstellung 00 08 30 2A 15 01 08 E0 06 24 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 STG A5 TA ohne VZE 00 08 30 2A 15 01 10 E4 16 A4 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 STG A5 TA mit VZE 00 08 30 2A 15 01 10 E4 16 24 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Hello, I am having trouble applying these. Presumably the names such as "werkseinstellung" "A5 TA ohne VZE" and "TA mit VZE" refer to the bit number identifier? I am English but have set my OBD11 to Deutsch and I still don't see those identifiers. Could someone tell me what bit number each of the 3 hexadecimal long codes relate to? Many thanks! |
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Post by newty on Nov 14, 2021 9:54:12 GMT
All TravelAssist algorithms are needing a capacitive steering wheel. Otherwise, they will bail out quite fast, because they are programmed to have continuous input from KLR and not just a steering correction every now and then .
You can check the KLR coding in the camera to see if there is a matching steering wheel installed.
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Post by scarecrow101 on Nov 15, 2021 13:17:04 GMT
Does anybody know if this voids anything in regard to the car receiving updates or warranty? Ive seen in patch 3.0 that was shown on the ID.5 that there is a marketplace you can "Buy and unlock" travel assist for the car, will VW overwrite this in the future?
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Post by ID.3 on Nov 15, 2021 13:55:34 GMT
Very good question ... Should be asked to the VW group directly, but I think we can wait a long time for the answer from them. In addition, he risks talking nonsense because this kind of subject is very sensitive when you start to touch the internal adjustment of the car and then ask for the warranty because the travel aid works poorly. For me, yes he can refuse if it concerns a problem of travel assistance, but should not void the warranty of the battery or the parking brake (example)
And more for me, with the future update, it should not overwrite the backup, because normally before making an update we save all the adjustments of the car to put them back afterwards as the driver had chosen before?
After I am wrong maybe? But I don't think he can overwrite this kind of adjustment ... Unless a bad manipulation but then it is also all the other information of the car that you will lose like the current mileage and or the time before the revision reset? What I wish for no one here
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Post by mencey on Nov 15, 2021 17:07:51 GMT
Travel assist works fine with this coding, you only need to have ACC+Lane Assist for it to work. You have to move the steering wheel every 15 sec. because the steering wheel has to have a capacitive sensor and many cars don't have it. If you want to implement it like the VW one works you have to buy the steering wheel with the touch sensor and code it KLR over FSD. The 15 sg time is stipulated by law in europe. the steering wheel sends a signal to the gateway. This could be solved in a rudimentary way by finding out the code of the signal and using an arduino to send that signal as if it was the steering wheel sending it and so it doesn't give the warning to grab the steering wheel or more rudimentary to do like tesla stick a bottle of water to the steering wheel hahaha. Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) |
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 15, 2021 17:08:37 GMT
Today I tried driving with the travel assist a little longer, I must say that it works very well and, it can recognize the lane lines even when they are rather faded. Keeping both hands always on the steering wheel, the message "now drive the driver" hardly appears, obviously it is enough that you feel a little resistance to movement for the system to recognize the active presence of the driver. I certainly don't have a capacitive steering wheel because with that it should be enough to just touch it for the system to detect the presence of the driver. It would be sufficient to slightly lengthen the intervention time of the recall to the attention of the driver which is now around 15 seconds after the last manual intervention, I think that 30-45 seconds would be more than enough to never make the beep beep intervene. It is very likely that in a straight road no correction intervention will be carried out on the steering wheel in a very short time, if this time were a little longer I think that the recall would hardly intervene. Does any of the experts have an idea?
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 15, 2021 17:12:23 GMT
Ha ha mencey, you answered my question a minute before I did it :-)
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 15, 2021 17:14:17 GMT
The bottle of water is really nice :-)
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Post by mencey on Nov 15, 2021 17:24:17 GMT
this is the coding and capacitive handwheel part number
STG A5 coding (acces code 20103)
ID4 1st. Euro Travel assist retrofitted,
lane assist standard off, selection over menu
1 2 3 4
0008 306A178510F4162420000000000000000000000 000830 6A178510F4162420000000000000000000000 0008306A 178510F4162420000000000000000000000 0008306A17 8510F4162420000000000000000000000
Bit 0-7 Bit 1-3 Bit 1 Traffic side, 0=Left traffic, 1=Right traffic Bit 0 PLA, 0=not coded, 1=coded
- 05 country variant Japan - 00 Chassis not coded ParkLenkAssistent
- 06 country variant China - 02 Chassis steel springs Bit 2-4
- 07 country variant Korea - 04 Chassis air chassis - 00 FLA Headinglight type Halogen Bit 1 KLR, 0=not coded, 1=coded
- 08 country variant Europe without UK - 06 Chassis magnetic ride - 04 FLA Headinglight type Xenon Kapacitives LenkRad
- 09 country variant UK - 08 FLA Headinglight type LED
- 0A country variant USA Bit 4-7 - 0C FLA Headinglight type LED with variable light distribution Bit 2 Rain light sensor, 0=not coded, 1=coded
- 0B country variant Canada - 00 Networking variant not coded
- 0C country variant Australia - 10 Networking variant MQBB Bit 5-7 Bit 3 SWA, 0=not coded, 1=coded
- 0D country variant South Africa - 20 Networking variant MQB2020 - 00 Windshield not coded SpurWechselAssistent
- 0E country variant Gulf region - 30 Networking variant MEB - 20 Windshield heat protection glass
- 40 Windshield clear glass Bit 4 Front radar, 0=not coded, 1=coded
- 60 Windshield climate glass
Bit 5-7
- 00 FLA Additional high beam, no additional high beam
- 20 FLA Additional high beam, Halogen
- 40 FLA Additional high beam, Xenon
- 60 FLA Additional high beam, LED
- 80 FLA Additional high beam, Laser
5 6 7 8
0008306A1785 10F4162420000000000000000000000 0008306A178510 F4162420000000000000000000000 0008306A178510F4 162420000000000000000000000 0008306A178510F416 2420000000000000000000000
Bit 0 HCA, 0=not coded, 1=coded Bit 0 HC narrow pass, 0=not coded, 1=coded Bit 0 Lane assist off text, 0=disabled, 1=enabled Bit 0 Rem_e_horizon, 0=inactive, 1=active
HCA ? HC?
Bit 1-3 Bit 1 Personalized VZE, 0=not coded, 1=coded
Bit 1 Automatic headlight calibration, 0=not coded, 1=coded Bit 1 HC mob line, 0=not coded, 1=coded - 00 Emergency assist variante, not coded VerkehrsZeichengErkennung
- 02 Emergency assist variante, Ea_variante_1
Bit 2-5 Bit 2-4 - 04 Emergency assist variante, Ea_variante_2 Bit 2 HC messages, 0=not coded, 1=coded
- 00 AFS coding light assist, no light assist - 00 HC point of intervention, Early - 06 Emergency assist variante, Ea_variante_3
- 04 AFS coding light assist, high beam assist - 08 HC point of intervention, Late - 08 Emergency assist variante, Ea_variante_4 Bit 3-6
- 08 AFS coding light assist, dynamic light assist - 10 HC point of intervention, Early setting over menu - 0A Emergency assist variante, Ea_variante_5 - 10 Hc_variante, Hc_variante_2
- 0C AFS coding light assist, adaptive headlight range control - 14 HC point of intervention, Late setting over menu - 0C Emergency assist variante, Ea_variante_6 - 18 Hc_variante, Hc_variante_3
- 10 AFS coding light assist, matrix beam - 0E Emergency assist variante, Ea_variante_7 - 20 Hc_variante, Hc_variante_4
- 28 Hc_variante, Hc_variante_5
Bit 6 Rem data transfer, 0=inactive, 1=active Bit 5-7 Bit 4-5 - 30 Hc_variante, Hc_variante_6
- 00 HC personalized key, not coded - 10 Configuration for lane departure warning, KI15, not activated - 38 Hc_variante, Hc_variante_7
Bit 7 AAG, 0=not coded, 1=coded - 20 HC personalized key, Version 0_1 - 20 Configuration for lane departure warning, KI15, activated - 40 Hc_variante, Hc_variante_8
AAG ? - 40 HC personalized key, Version 1_x - 30 Configuration for lane departure warning, KI15, last setting - 48 Hc_variante, Hc_variante_9
- 60 HC personalized key, Version 2_x - 50 Hc_variante, Hc_variante_10
Bit 6-7 - 58 Hc_variante, Hc_variante_11
- 40 Lane assist system mode, steering wheel vibration_not_active
- 80 Lane assist system mode, steering wheel vibration_active Bit 7 ALDW, 0=not coded, 1=coded
- C0 Lane assist system mode, Selection over menu
9 10 Standard lenkrad ohne TA-KLR vorbereitung,
0008306A178510F41624 20000000000000000000000 0008306A178510F4162420 000000000000000000000
Bit 2-4 Bit 3-4
- 00 Navigation, not coded - 00 Tpa, not coded
- 04 Navigation, MIB standard - 08 Tpa, Tpa_combined with pla
- 08 Navigation, MIB high - 10 Tpa, Tpa_combined with ipa
- 18 Tpa, Tpa_combined with ipa and remote
Bit 5-7
- 00 VZE, not coded Bit 5-7
- 20 VZE, coded - 00 PSD_version, not coded
- 40 VZE, hidden - 20 PSD_version, PSD_15
VerkehrsZeichengErkennung - 40 PSD_version, PSD_20
TA lenkrad mit stg 3G0 959 542 A fur KLR
lenkrad teilenr. 10A 419 089L, bedienung von original lenkrad tauschen
STG 13 Auto distance regulation (acces code 20103) STG 13
2 3
018318F0407140451247408000040C5AF402000000000 018318F0407140451247408000040C5AF402000000000
Bit 2 trailer assist, 0=not installed, 1= installed Bit 0 overtaking right prevention, 0=deactivated, 1= activated
Bit 3 Capacitive steering wheel, 0=not installed, 1= installed Bit 1 lane change support, 0=deactivated, 1= activated
Bit 4 Tranceiverbox, 0=not installed, 1= installed Bit 4 assistant for end of traffic jam, 0=deactivated, 1= activated
Bit 5 curve assistent, 0=deactivated, 1= activated
Bit 6 speed limit assistent, 0=deactivated, 1= activated
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Post by ID.3 on Nov 15, 2021 19:41:12 GMT
It's funny what you said here, because I modified on my ID.3 1ST Plus, the behavior of the seated line, to have a more fluid semi-autonomous driving, without abrupt counter-steering which produced this ping pong phenomenon in the way FYI, I already have all the standard options available with the famous tactile steering wheel. And by modifying the behavior of the Line Assit from Late to Early, I now have the notification to take the wheel in hand very quickly, which is displayed in white and very quickly then in red, in fact as I understood it. you just have to turn the steering wheel slightly in the useful direction without taking any risk with the car in front, so it is best to choose the opposite side  so as not to have too much warning. I think it's a new habit to take and which should prove its worth by soon with more habit. Here is the link of the post I followed here on the forum : forum.obdeleven.com/thread/13702/adaptive-lane-tracking  |
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Post by mencey on Nov 15, 2021 20:30:56 GMT
this is not lane assist, it is travel assist, the car does not take the line as a reference. It references the centre of the lane between the two lines and drives smoothly in the centre of the lane. It has nothing to do with Lane Assist, which is an emergency assistant in case you get lost. Travel Assist drives.
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Post by ik4nmf on Nov 17, 2021 12:54:42 GMT
In my opinion we are turning around the problem. The capacitive steering wheel is nothing more than a sort of "touch" switch, that is, it behaves like a switch that lowers the logic level of a line from 1 to 0 every time the steering wheel is touched or, the logic state remains fixed at 0 when we keep our hands on the wheel. If the line remains fixed at logic level 0 or passes from logic 1 to logic 0 at least once within the 15 seconds in which the timer checks whether the driver is using the steering wheel, everything proceeds without any beep beep. Therefore, it would be necessary to study the hardware to identify the wire to be kept at logic level 0 ...
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so as not to have too much warning. I think it's a new habit to take and which should prove its worth by soon with more habit. 