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Post by lavaine on Aug 18, 2020 17:58:54 GMT
I have a NAR 2019 Golf R. I just received my OBD Eleven, and on the rare occasions I can get it to connect (that's another issue), very few apps are supported. I think I found three in total. Most apps, such as ambient colours, start/stop activation, throttle pedal response, windows function from remote, tail light illumination when hatch is open, ALL virtual cockpit apps simply say 'not supported'. The only apps I found that work are Soundaktor, Heated Seat Memory, and Fan Display in Auto.
Is this normal for the 2019 R? The OBD Eleven site claims this works on all 2017-2019 models. Are they just lying to sell more units, or is this abnormal? It will be a shame if I wasted my money on vaporware, but at least I didn't spend the extra money for Pro since nothing works.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 18:25:16 GMT
I am afraid I have a very low opinion of one click apps as VW change setup far to many times so stuff that does work then does not.
For example VW Have coded the newer cars so that you cant code stop start to turn off. They have put some narrative in the app to tell you that but I would agree its not the clearest detail.
Further the NAR Cars are setup different to the ROW cars and the Japanese cars so stuff that may work in one region may not work in another.
If you have the PRO then you just need to find the correct coding for your car and do it yourself (like you would with VCDS for example).
I would agree that as a global company OBD11 should be marking which apps work on NAR and JAPANESE cars as well as ROW.
Just to add to this VAG in the new Golf 8 cars have added new security features that mean you can't do any coding yet so as you can see OBD11 Can do better (and should) but VAG dont help. You should feedback to support via the in app help function that stuff you have paid for does not work and see what feedback you get.
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Post by lordnikon on Aug 18, 2020 19:15:23 GMT
Do it manually or long coding. The credit based apps is for noobs.
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Post by lavaine on Aug 18, 2020 19:54:38 GMT
Yup. Apps are for noobs. I'm a noob. Get it? Why would i pay for a Pro license not knowing if any of the mods I want to do will even work on a 2019 R? If the apps don't work, then I have no reason to believe that long coding will work either, since the apps are just long coding macros.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 20:36:31 GMT
Yes the apps are just coding (long coding is only part of the coding process) but unlike a proper Macro they dont have lots of sub if statements that can deal with different setup (location, software version, Car Setup, Model Year, Vag Changes etc) but if you have the Pro version you code against what the car has.
If you dont like this app then you need to look at other apps and see what they promise for your year car and then check out the forums to see if they deliver.
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Post by lavaine on Aug 18, 2020 22:46:11 GMT
I guess my concern as a noob to VAG coding is screwing things up if the long code that I find online doesn't work. I've read too many threads of people having difficulty undoing mistakes made with coding. Error codes etc.
Are there any other apps out there? I'm only familiar with OBD Eleven and VCDS, which is long coding only I believe.
Also, I tried connecting with a different device, and while the connection issues persist, I was, for some reason, able to access more of the apps with the second device. Maybe half of them are now available to me. So far everything I've tried has worked, with the exception of Mirror Dip (I didn't actually expect it would), and Tail Lights On with Hatch Open.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Aug 19, 2020 2:02:24 GMT
^^^^^lavaine: Hi. Allow me to add to the sage words of my forum colleague (please) and let me start by saying that I make no value judgement whatsoever between devotees of the standard OBD11 device and users that prefer the PRO version. If there is one thing that I have learned from my many years on this fragile blue planet it is that "different blokes like different stokes" - and there ain't nothing wrong with that!! 
So - VOLTAS has identified 2 x separate niche markets for their devices (it's called "product differentiation" in marketing theory) and the products are differentiated by the PRO logo.
For folk who have a preference for the non-pro device (like you, I think), the appeal/advantage seems to be simplicity and ease of use - and in some cases I suspect, lower initial cost. But the downside for non-pro users is that access to pre-packaged tweaks is limited to those that have been created by VOLTAS. Now, of course the list of these "APPs" grows with time and with specific requests made by forum users and with new model VAG cars that get released periodically.
Another disadvantage for non-pro is the on-going cost; yes the initial cost is lower, but Apps are paid with credits. And, yes again, credits can be free if the user is prepared to do stuff. However, regardless of whether the non-pro users buy credits outright, or the user does other stuff to forego this expense, there is a cost (in kind) that a non-pro user must pay for APPs.
Yet another disadvantage for non-pro users are the inherent limitations that are written into the software for each App. VOLTAS's code cutters face a fundamental dilemma when creating Apps; their objective is to make the App apply to as wide a range of cars as possible, but to also ensure that inappropriate application to models doesn't cause errors, or outright failure of the CAN network. I'm not privy to VOLTAS design philosophy, but I suspect that a conservative balance is struct between these 2 x competing objectives - as is proper IMO. This means that before an App will work on a car, a number of tests are initiated on other related settings in various modules - unless these preconditions are met, the App will fail! Lots of non-pro users have experienced this outcome!
And perhaps the ultimate disadvantage for non-pro users is that they miss-out on learning about CAN programming which extends way beyond just long-code - it applies also to adaptation channels, calibration, diagnostic analysis, etc.
But, as I said in my first few words, learning this stuff isn't the objective of non-pro users and by not getting involved in these tasks, they also avoid the many pitfalls (and the occasional disasters) that go hand-in-hand with any education process.
So - basically its swings and roundabouts; buy a non-pro dongle and you face the type of problems that you have observed. Buy a pro version dongle and you get to implement tweaks manually - but you are then faced with another set of problems (some of which you have already identified)!!
Finally a note about the impact of the differences between pro and no-pro users: my view is that we are not divided by these personal preferences - quite the opposite in fact; it's exactly these differences that bring us together as a forum community (IMO, of course)
Don
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 8:10:06 GMT
I guess my concern as a noob to VAG coding is screwing things up if the long code that I find online doesn't work. I've read too many threads of people having difficulty undoing mistakes made with coding. Error codes etc. Are there any other apps out there? I'm only familiar with OBD Eleven and VCDS, which is long coding only I believe. Also, I tried connecting with a different device, and while the connection issues persist, I was, for some reason, able to access more of the apps with the second device. Maybe half of them are now available to me. So far everything I've tried has worked, with the exception of Mirror Dip (I didn't actually expect it would), and Tail Lights On with Hatch Open.
This is a very handy little device but because it works via bluetooth and requires a good internet connection you can suffer with connection issues.
If possible make sure your car is parked near a strong wifi signal or mobile data signal that should help a lot.
There are always stories of people in trouble but do your research on what coding is needed on YOUR CAR dont touch coding on important parts of the car like Brakes or Gearbox till you have some experience and knowledge and as Don says its horses for courses.
Other options in Europe are caristaappapp and Mycarlyappapp (Which I have no knowledge off), with Regards to caristaappapp I see the same issues with this tool in that the Devs put out an change and it does not work, but as that is the only thing they offer there is normally a quick response to get it fixed (if enough people have complained).
Enjoy the car and if you are staying with OBD11 there is a thread on this site where you can request one click apps just follow the pre set request form.
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Post by lavaine on Aug 19, 2020 15:48:32 GMT
Thanks for the kind words of support. DV52, I wouldn't say I'm a firm non-pro user. I actually bought the OBD Eleven with full intentions of buying the Pro license at some point, as there are some changes I want to make that don't have apps. My concern with spending the money on Pro comes from fear, and maybe a poor understanding of how coding works. I have a (healthy I think) fear of screwing up the car if I follow coding I find online and it doesn't work on my car. This fear has increased since realizing that what works on one Mk 7.5FL might not work on mine. The second issue stems from my misunderstanding of how the coding actually works. I had assumed that if an app did not work on my car, it couldn't be done. If I now understand correctly, this is not necessarily the case. Rather the mod may require slightly different coding than what the app supports. Of course this increases my anxiety about screwing up the car badly if coding doesn't work!
As of right now, I'm on the fence about purchasing a Pro license. I think I need to do a lot more reading on the specific mods I'm interested in, and try to figure out if the coding people have posted for the mods I want to do will work on my 2019. I think this will be the biggest challenge, is differentiating what mods work on all FL cars, and which only work on pre-2019. I am willing to use coding others have created. I'm not so sure that I want to get into creating my own code yet (or ever). I suspect the majority of Pro users fall into this camp, and have the power users to thank for figuring this stuff out.
The good news (and it definitely has me leaning in the Pro direction) is that the user group here seems really strong and supportive, and willing to help if some coding doesn't work, or breaks something. It's good to know there is a supportive user base.
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Post by dannocoy on Nov 7, 2020 16:03:53 GMT
Just got a Pro version 2 weeks ago after reading through various forums for several months. I am also a noob, and may of the "Apps" do not work on my car (2016 A6 3.0sc C7.5). The Pro version gives you 200 credits and access to "Apps", "Adaptations", "Long Coding". I was able to use info from forums to use Adaptations to change settings without using App credits (eg Gage Sweep, display Gear on dash display in any mode). Absolute best recommendation was to make a backup BEFORE you change anything so you can see what the original settings were. Not sure if backup is part of Standard version or not.
Thanks to all the posters with the detailed step by step instructions. Would not have been able to do the very simple things without your help!
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Post by vwjap on Nov 8, 2020 8:37:29 GMT
I think for ambient colours they (vw) changed the heading for one of the adaption channels from German to English as a few people said to me they didn’t have that menu, and the APP is written for the earlier cars (German) and not the later cars (English), it really is as simple as that why APP doesn’t work
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