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Post by Sjonnie1 on Nov 23, 2016 16:21:44 GMT
Can anyone tell me if volkswagen can see when i change some settings using the obdeleven?
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 23, 2016 22:48:19 GMT
Can anyone tell me if volkswagen can see when i change some settings using the obdeleven? The answer is of course, yes! But the better question is why would VW want to look for these changes (and why would they care) if the modifications weren't causing errors? Remember that there is only one person accountable for the changes that you make - if the tweak is successful, then you have done well - if the tweak is unsuccessful, then it's your role to fix it (or to pay the VW dealer to fix it for you) Don |
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Post by Daniel (Germany) on Nov 24, 2016 16:35:45 GMT
Im totally with you don.
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Post by rwallach on Nov 25, 2016 0:45:36 GMT
The only thing that causes me some concerns is that VW is not always 100% honest. If you have any troubles, even if they are completely not related to the tweaks you made (for example: let's say that you increased comfort turn signals to blink 5 times instead of the standard 3 times and, after 5000 km your DSG clutches show premature wear) they will not accept your guarantee claim, by alleging that your car has been modified.
I know this is not something expected, but at least here in Brazil this kind of attitude is not uncommon from VW dealers and authorized repair shops.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 25, 2016 2:50:31 GMT
The only thing that causes me some concerns is that VW is not always 100% honest. If you have any troubles, even if they are completely not related to the tweaks you made (for example: let's say that you increased comfort turn signals to blink 5 times instead of the standard 3 times and, after 5000 km your DSG clutches show premature wear) they will not accept your guarantee claim, by alleging that your car has been modified. I know this is not something expected, but at least here in Brazil this kind of attitude is not uncommon from VW dealers and authorized repair shops. rwallach: Yes. I've been personally involved in a couple of cases where VW Dealers have tried to argue as you have said. My suspicion in such a case is that dealers that use this method are unscrupulous anyhow, so if they didn't have the excuse of an OBD111 dongle - they would probably try another excuse. I'm not sure about the local laws where you live, but diown here in Australia, we have consumer rights that can be used to combat unscrupulous dealers. Of course, the successful use of consumer law depends entirely on the validity of the argument that you use. In the example that you cite, there would be little chance of the dealer winning the case, But, if for example, you changed the front incandescent blinker lights to operate as DRLs and some time later you noticed that the lamp holders had started to melt ( which is likely to happen) ihe dealer would legitimaly have a case for not fixing the poroblem under waranty Don |
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Post by rwallach on Nov 25, 2016 20:19:28 GMT
The only thing that causes me some concerns is that VW is not always 100% honest. If you have any troubles, even if they are completely not related to the tweaks you made (for example: let's say that you increased comfort turn signals to blink 5 times instead of the standard 3 times and, after 5000 km your DSG clutches show premature wear) they will not accept your guarantee claim, by alleging that your car has been modified. I know this is not something expected, but at least here in Brazil this kind of attitude is not uncommon from VW dealers and authorized repair shops. rwallach: Yes. I've been personally involved in a couple of cases where VW Dealers have tried to argue as you have said. My suspicion in such a case is that dealers that use this method are unscrupulous anyhow, so if they didn't have the excuse of an OBD111 dongle - they would probably try another excuse. I'm not sure about the local laws where you live, but diown here in Australia, we have consumer rights that can be used to combat unscrupulous dealers. Of course, the successful use of consumer law depends entirely on the validity of the argument that you use. In the example that you cite, there would be little chance of the dealer winning the case, But, if for example, you changed the front incandescent blinker lights to operate as DRLs and some time later you noticed that the lamp holders had started to melt ( which is likely to happen) ihe dealer would legitimaly have a case for not fixing the poroblem under waranty Don Hi Don, Consumer laws here are not very different from anywhere in the western world. The problem here is that the legal system is really slow, and therefore your claims can take years to be judged. Because of that, many consumers will not take the legal way. Typically, they will have to spend the money to fix the car (since nobody wants to leave their cars in the garage for a long time), and then sue for a reimbursement. They will just fix the car and change the brand the next time they buy a new car. Consumers rights offices will act only when a company acts wrong systematically, which is not the case here. As you very well pointed out, this specific subject is rather technically complex for a simple judgment. In the end of the day, the only thing that grants a fair treatment to consumers is competition. But here this works only to a certain extent, because most companies will adopt the same practices, since justice takes so long that crime pays off, easily. Regards, Ricardo |
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Post by rwallach on Nov 26, 2016 19:21:18 GMT
Continuing on the same subject, if I make changes and roll them back, is there any kind of "change counter" that will pop up to dealer? Is the change history recorded by the car, even when you roll back to stock settings?
Thanks in advance
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Post by Daniel (Germany) on Nov 26, 2016 19:42:46 GMT
No there is not a counter wich tells the dealer that some thing changed. Last week a car from friend got at vw updates some control units, (golf mk7 gtd) on this car i coded some things like 5x brakelights, lane assist and some other little things. Everything in car is like before. Nothing changed they didnt realise that lane assist is coded, they think everything is factory installed. So its like don told you. If you crash something its xour fault and you have to fix it. If everything works there is no reason for vw to search for things. And also they dont have time to search in cars for some codings. Time is money also for vw
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