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Post by newty on May 25, 2020 7:57:55 GMT
Yep. Quite easy to explain where this info came from:
The very first MQB cars came with an MFK1 (MultiFunktionsKamera / Multifunction Camera) from Bosch, HW 5Q0 980 654. This includes most prefacelift Golfs, prefacelift Octavias and prefacelift Leons. Not sure about other cars. These cameras are situated on the left next to the rain sensor. In these cameras you would have to enable TSR in Byte 1 Bit 0, but not 16/4.
The MFK1 is end of development and does not work together with up to date ACC/Front Assist sensors, so 3Q0 980 654 is the new standard, being able to communicate with MRRevo ACCs from Bosch and Continental. With this change, the coding has been extended and changed, so now Byte 16 Bit 4 will enable TSR, but not 1/0
So people mixed up both, enabled both and wrote that down. Some had no side disturbing side effects, some killed their calibration.
Why and how does this happend?
The first 4 Bytes are are now used to tell the camera some car specific data like the position and angle of the camera in the car, the width of the car, axle distance for correct lane assist corrections and so on.
(Actually for me it is unclear if these are working together with parameter sets or not or if just some software versions are affected)
When these values do not match anymore, the camera is trying to calculate compensation values while driving. This has been developed to compensate minor changes like wearing out dampers and chassis, changes tires, standard things. After a change this compensation tries to adapt to a different car - as described in Byte 1 to 4. There is a chance that basic values are changed too much, then the camera fails out and wants to be recalibrated in the workshop.
EDIT: Oh and a fun fact: Infotainment Byte 24 Bit 6 has nothing to do with TSR at all. This controls the display of traffic signs in the navigation map of the infotainment can also be changed by the touchdisplay-settings. Byte 24 Bit 7 (PSD/Predictive route data) is mandatory for TSR to work together with navigation data and not showing an error.
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Post by Car Code on May 25, 2020 12:43:28 GMT
Could You please then make instructions for "correct" activation?
This is a bit confusing now.
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Post by newty on May 25, 2020 13:05:43 GMT
Yep.
Codings:
A5: Enable 16/4 (VZE)
5F: Enable 24/7 (PSD)
17: Enable 05/2 (VZE)
17: Enable 09/4 (Compass bottom)
13: Enable 01/0 (VZE)
Adaption in 5F:
Car_Function_List_BAP_Gen2:
traffic_sign_recognition_0x21: activated
traffic_sign_recognition_0x21_msg_bus: Databus Extended
Car_Function_Adapations_Gen2:
menu_display_road_sign_identification: activated
menu_display_road_sign_identification_over_threshold_high: activated
I think I have covered everything relevant for common cars.
As said before: Without navigation there will always be the "Traffic sign recognition restricted" Error - you can't tell the camera that there won't be any road data, so it will always complain
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Post by komodo on May 25, 2020 17:36:51 GMT
5F: 24/7 function not available.  |
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Post by Car Code on May 25, 2020 18:46:59 GMT
Yep. Codings: A5: Enable 16/4 (VZE) 5F: Enable 24/7 (PSD) 17: Enable 05/2 (VZE) 17: Enable 09/4 (Compass bottom) 13: Enable 01/0 (VZE) Adaption in 5F: Car_Function_List_BAP_Gen2: traffic_sign_recognition_0x21: activated traffic_sign_recognition_0x21_msg_bus: Databus Extended Car_Function_Adapations_Gen2: menu_display_road_sign_identification: activated menu_display_road_sign_identification_over_threshold_high: activated I think I have covered everything relevant for common cars. As said before: Without navigation there will always be the "Traffic sign recognition restricted" Error - you can't tell the camera that there won't be any road data, so it will always complain traffic_sign_recognition_0x21_msg_bus: Databus Extended When I try to set it this way it says that is not available. |
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Post by newty on May 26, 2020 7:50:05 GMT
You both do not have Navigation installed? Then the control units could reject codings which are related to Navigation features (like PSD or TSR).
On a unit without navigation, both codings would have no effect. since there is no road data to transfer.
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Post by Car Code on May 26, 2020 9:40:20 GMT
You both do not have Navigation installed? Then the control units could reject codings which are related to Navigation features (like PSD or TSR). On a unit without navigation, both codings would have no effect. since there is no road data to transfer. So do I have to do any of coding for 5f module since i dont have navigation? Should i revert those things in 5f to stock values? |
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Post by newty on May 26, 2020 12:21:59 GMT
Generally, they do not harm at all. PSD has no effect without navigation.
All 4 Adaptions (BAP and Menu) are for enabling the Menu Setting in the Infotainment in Driver Assistance. Without them, you will not be able to enable or disable TSR and you will not be able to set a warning limit. Never heard they do not work through. Maybe try to set them One by One helps here.
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Post by komodo on May 26, 2020 15:40:23 GMT
Generally, they do not harm at all. PSD has no effect without navigation. All 4 Adaptions (BAP and Menu) are for enabling the Menu Setting in the Infotainment in Driver Assistance. Without them, you will not be able to enable or disable TSR and you will not be able to set a warning limit. Never heard they do not work through. Maybe try to set them One by One helps here. Can you show what this assistant looks like in the infotiment? |
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Post by Car Code on May 26, 2020 17:02:09 GMT
I cant turn on/off tsr in multimedia menu where are other assistants
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Post by komodo on May 28, 2020 15:47:03 GMT
I cant turn on/off tsr in multimedia menu where are other assistants Me too .. |
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Post by newty on May 29, 2020 9:02:15 GMT
I can't show how TSR would look in the Scala - a pic of my old Golf wouldn't help.
I did some research and found out that the Scala has MIB3 - which makes things difficult, as I have mistakenly described the 5F to be either MIB1 or MIB2. I have found the adaption for PSD, but as you say you can't enable the menu items, it is either SFD protected or we need a special login.
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Post by jesse93 on Jun 3, 2020 6:00:47 GMT
Does anybody have experience with flashing the camera with new software? It seems that my hardware is exactly the same, only the software differs.
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Post by chaosrx on Jun 27, 2020 12:16:29 GMT
So I also tried to code TSR, but I can't get it working properly. This is what I tried: Codings:
A5: Enable 16/4 (VZE) 13: Enable 01/0 (VZE) 17: Enable 05/2 (VZE) Adaption in 5F:VEHICLE FUNCTION LIST BAP : traffic_sign_recognition_0x21: activated traffic_sign_recognition_0x21_msg_bus: Databus Extended VEHICLE MENU OPERATION: menu_display_road_sign_identification: activated menu_display_road_sign_identification_over_threshold_high: activated At this point, it just says "No traffic signs available" (image below), even after test drive.  What have I also tried: 5F: Enable 24/7 (PSD) - cant be activated 17: Enable 09/4 (Compass bottom) - cant be activated traffic_sign_recognition_0x21_msg_bus: Not coded, infotaiment A5 - Adaptation - Road sign detection fusion mode: tried to change it to detection, nothing changed. It is back to fusion right now. I have navigation, so it should be working. Does anyone know what to do with it? |
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Post by veryacid on Jun 27, 2020 15:29:15 GMT
So I also tried to code TSR, but I can't get it working properly. This is what I tried: Codings:
A5: Enable 16/4 (VZE) 13: Enable 01/0 (VZE) 17: Enable 05/2 (VZE) Adaption in 5F:VEHICLE FUNCTION LIST BAP : traffic_sign_recognition_0x21: activated traffic_sign_recognition_0x21_msg_bus: Databus Extended VEHICLE MENU OPERATION: menu_display_road_sign_identification: activated menu_display_road_sign_identification_over_threshold_high: activated At this point, it just says "No traffic signs available" (image below), even after test drive. What have I also tried: 5F: Enable 24/7 (PSD) - cant be activated 17: Enable 09/4 (Compass bottom) - cant be activated traffic_sign_recognition_0x21_msg_bus: Not coded, infotaiment A5 - Adaptation - Road sign detection fusion mode: tried to change it to detection, nothing changed. It is back to fusion right now. I have navigation, so it should be working. Does anyone know what to do with it? If you have a5 software s.... It works if you use databus infotainment in bap msg bus.. Sign can t be show on aid but only on infotainment |
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Post by therence88 on Jul 1, 2020 18:56:17 GMT
So I also tried to code TSR, but I can't get it working properly. This is what I tried: Codings:
A5: Enable 16/4 (VZE) 13: Enable 01/0 (VZE) 17: Enable 05/2 (VZE) Adaption in 5F:VEHICLE FUNCTION LIST BAP : traffic_sign_recognition_0x21: activated traffic_sign_recognition_0x21_msg_bus: Databus Extended VEHICLE MENU OPERATION: menu_display_road_sign_identification: activated menu_display_road_sign_identification_over_threshold_high: activated At this point, it just says "No traffic signs available" (image below), even after test drive. What have I also tried: 5F: Enable 24/7 (PSD) - cant be activated 17: Enable 09/4 (Compass bottom) - cant be activated traffic_sign_recognition_0x21_msg_bus: Not coded, infotaiment A5 - Adaptation - Road sign detection fusion mode: tried to change it to detection, nothing changed. It is back to fusion right now. I have navigation, so it should be working. Does anyone know what to do with it? on infotainment view? in my kamiq no  |
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Post by chaosrx on Jul 2, 2020 10:32:18 GMT
So if I understand it correctly, it is working only with A5 software ending with S, not with R. I have software ending with R, so it may be the thing.
Anyway, I tried to change traffic_sign_recognition_0x21_msg_bus to databus infotainment, but nothing happened.
It only shows traffic signs in navigation (lots of them and correctly), but it takes data from navigation, not from camera. It was working exactly the same even before coding. So if you pass by temporary sign (construction sites etc), it doesn't register it.
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Post by fred4009 on Jul 18, 2020 9:41:45 GMT
Hello Anyone have any news for activating sign assist traffic on this Scala and Kamiq please? I tried the coding on kamiq but unable to change the alert threshold and I have an error in the display of driving assistance with the trailer appearing  MQB B MFK System Version 3Q0980654R |
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Post by radicalover on Nov 14, 2020 15:03:25 GMT
I'm confused!
Does anyone had success with these actions and have Traffic sign detection working in Scala?
Or the indicated changes are only best guess but no success for having it working yet?
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Post by jesse93 on Nov 14, 2020 16:17:32 GMT
Yes, it does work, but only if you have the right software version of the A5 camera. It needs to end with an S, if you have R you're out of luck.
If you have S, follow the codings of newty above (i'm not sure about the compass coding, however). Thereby, change the road sign detection fusion mode in the adaptation in A5 to fusion mode for Amundsen and detection mode for Swing/Bolero.
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Post by radicalover on Nov 14, 2020 17:10:13 GMT
Unfortunately is the one ending with R
Does this mean there is nothing that can be done for R sw?
I noticed the HW pn 3Q0980654A. Is it the same for sw ending with S?
There is no sw updates available that can modify sw from R to S?
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Post by fred4009 on Nov 16, 2020 11:40:09 GMT
Hello you need odis engineering to do an update of the sofware R-->S .After you have to do paramétization...no need to calibrate. You Can find informations here www.drive2.ru/Good luck |
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Post by chrisol on Nov 22, 2020 14:54:05 GMT
I tried to code TSR on Kamiq with 3Q0980654S camera and amundsen and virtual cocpit, but I can't get it working properly.
Codings accepted:
A5: Enable 16/4 (VZE)
13: Enable 01/0 (VZE)
17: Enable 05/2 (VZE)
Adaption accepted in 5F:
VEHICLE FUNCTION LIST BAP :
traffic_sign_recognition_0x21: activated
traffic_sign_recognition_0x21_msg_bus: Databus Extended
VEHICLE MENU OPERATION:
menu_display_road_sign_identification: activated
menu_display_road_sign_identification_over_threshold_high: activated
At this point no errors or indication about no traffic signs but TSR is not working.
What have I also tried:
5F: Enable 24/7 (PSD) - cant be activated
17: Enable 09/4 (Compass bottom) - cant be activated
A5 - Adaptation - Road sign detection fusion mode - I can choose between detection and fusion but no difference in tsr behavior.
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Post by fred4009 on Nov 23, 2020 12:24:07 GMT
It's working for me in Skoda Kamiq whith this coding
A5: Enable 16/4 (VZE)
in 5F:
VEHICLE FUNCTION LIST BAP :
traffic_sign_recognition_0x21: activated
traffic_sign_recognition_0x21_msg_bus: Databus Extended
VEHICLE MENU OPERATION:
menu_display_road_sign_identification: activated
menu_display_road_sign_identification_over_threshold_high: activated
17: Enable 05/2 (VZE)
And A5 setting TSR fusion mode or TSR only
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Post by radicalover on Nov 23, 2020 20:00:35 GMT
And your A5 partnumber ends with S?
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Post by chrisol on Nov 23, 2020 21:10:13 GMT
I've tried Your settings but no change. I've noticed that if I reset amundsen after coding I have error in 5F multimedia saying ethernet communication malfunction (u11c400) or so. If I try to reset this error a brief message appears on instrument cluster saying tsr malfunction.
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Post by stefflimitless on Mar 19, 2021 19:23:43 GMT
Hi there
I successfully got flashed my Index R to Index S camera today on my 07/19 Scala, fully equipped. Unfortunately the Lane assist is not working. Can anyone help me in this case? Thanks in advance
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Post by stefflimitless on Mar 20, 2021 19:05:42 GMT
Hello you need odis engineering to do an update of the sofware R-->S .After you have to do paramétization...no need to calibrate. You Can find informations here www.drive2.ru/Good luck Hi Fred, can u give some more informations? On russia site i just can read about Tiguan. You already had success with Scala Index R ? Sounds so easy, turnout it’s not. The Lane Assistant won‘t work anymore. Thanks in advance for you help and answer |
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Post by stefflimitless on Apr 1, 2021 18:47:57 GMT
Finally my TSR works on my Scala MY20.
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Post by vincedyne on Apr 8, 2021 17:59:52 GMT
Care to share what/how you did?
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