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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Aug 29, 2016 3:40:08 GMT
Translated from my VCDS instructions (at the request of a colleague from another forum)
OBD11 Instructions - Various options for 3rd Brake light
- Select Central electrics control module (at address hex09)
- Select Security access
- Enter magic number 31347
- Select Adaptation
- Search for Leuchte22BR MA57
- For each of the Child channels in the table below, confirm that the values are as shown in the Stock Setting column
- Only if step V1. is confirmed, choose an option and alter the values for the bolded Child channels as shown in the table
- Repeat step V11. for further options if desired
- Return to Central Electrics main screen
- Select Adaptation
- Search for Dyn. turn signal modes
- For the chosen option(s), alter the values for the bolded Child channels as shown in the table
Don
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Post by ARi on Aug 31, 2016 8:28:12 GMT
Any videos of what this does
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Aug 31, 2016 12:00:42 GMT
Any videos of what this does ARI: hmm................ A video is kind-of superfluous because I very much doubt that it will give you any more information!
Turn-on with hazard warning flashers means that the 3rd Brake light (the light above the hatch window) is illuminated whenever you press the hazard flashers (the button on the dash with the triangle).
Turn-on with central locking means that the 3rd Brake light (the light above the hatch window) flashes when you open and close the car doors with the key fob. It exactly replicates the behaviour of the turn signal lamps when using the key-fob : that is, the 3rd brake light flashes once for door-close and it flashes twice for door-open.
Turn-on when reversing means that the 3rd Brake light (the light above the hatch window) is illuminated whenever reverse gear is selected. It exactly replicates the behaviour of the reversing light(s).
What more explanation do you need?
Don
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Post by zeal8080 on Sept 1, 2016 0:37:32 GMT
Hi, I applied "Turn on with Central locking" function on my Golf MK7 below video.
Other functions seems no fit with regulation on my coutnry.
Thank you.
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Post by derushi on Sept 2, 2016 6:37:08 GMT
Is there any way to make the 3rd brake flash or pulse when reversing?
Is there also a way to make it flash when brake is applied? I've seen the option of making them flash but only when harsh braking is applied (not sure if it even works)
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Post by atlas123 on Feb 26, 2018 1:28:16 GMT
Don (or other) -- If I am tracking this correctly, "Aktive Blinkfunktion hat ein auf 1 gesetztes zugeordnetes Bit in pa_dynamisch_blinken" basically means that the light should be on SOLID whenever the "dynamic turn signal" ("Außenlicht_Blinker" in new models) adaptation is triggered. The fact that it comes on SOLID is why you have the higher priority C/D channels set to MINIMIZE the light during the "dark" phase of the turn signal cycles. Is that right? Relatedly, has anyone pieced together what all of the Außenlicht_Blinker channels do? Below are the Außenlicht_Blinker adaptation channels I have and what I can figure out they do, but obviously I don't know what most of them are. | ABBA_Blinken | ? | | Abbruch Komfortblinken | ? | | Blinkkontrolleuchte fuer Anhaenger,separte | ? | | Crash flashing | ? | | DWA_Alarm_Blinken | ? | | DWA_Schaerfungsquittung | ? | | DWA_Schaerfungsquittung | ? | | dynamisch_blinken_10 | ? | | Dynamische_Blink_Delay | ? | | Emergency_alert_blinken | ? | Komfortblinken
| Whether comfort/convenience blinking is active (i.e. 2-5 blinks when tapping turn signal) | Komfortblinken Blinkzyklen
| Set number of blinks comfort/convenience closing uses | Multi_kollisions_Blinken
| ? | Notwarn_blinken_NBA_Phase_2
| Activate dyn. when hazards on and engine off
| Panic flashing
| ? | Richtungs_blinken_links
| ? | Richtungs_blinken_rechts
| ? | Schluessel_Anlern_Blinken
| ? | Taxi alarm flashing
| ? | Telematikblinken1_STS_Blinken Telematikblinken2_OCU_Blinken
| ? | UGDO_ Anlern_Blinken
| ? | Warnblinken_durch_Fahrerassistenz
| ?
| Warnblinken_Zuendung_AUS
| Activate dyn. when hazards on and engine off
| Warnblinken_Zuendung_EIN
| Activate dyn. when hazards on and engine running
| ZV_Blinken_auf
| Activate dyn. when central locking | ZV_Blinken_zu
| Activate dyn. when central unlocking
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Feb 26, 2018 6:55:29 GMT
Don (or other) -- If I am tracking this correctly, "Aktive Blinkfunktion hat ein auf 1 gesetztes zugeordnetes Bit in pa_dynamisch_blinken" basically means that the light should be on SOLID whenever the "dynamic turn signal" ("Außenlicht_Blinker" in new models) adaptation is triggered. The fact that it comes on SOLID is why you have the higher priority C/D channels set to MINIMIZE the light during the "dark" phase of the turn signal cycles. Is that right? Atlas: I really don't have any official information from VW regarding the way that their leuchte-commands operate - it's all a guess from me!! However, I believe that the dynamic turn signal facility is a 2 x step process like this: - The cable user can choose what ever Dyn. turn signal mode that he/she wants by setting the associated adaptation channel to active. There is no limit on how many "modes" can be selected - all 20 x modes can be set to active if desired.
- Having enabled the particular facility. the second step is to decide which lights will be used for that facility. This is determined by the Aktive Blinkfunktion hat ein auf 1 gesetztes zugeordnetes Bit in pa_dynamisch_blinken command. When this command is entered into an adaptation channel, the lamp that is connected to the particular BCM pin for that leuchte-set will be illuminated FOR ALL modes that have been activated.
From then-on, the normal rules for leuchte-programming prevail about priority. The use and position of the dunkelphase commands are necessary to make the 3rd brake light flash. In general, I really didn't consider the potential for conflict with the lock/unlock mode because the car will be stationary when this mode is used. For reversing mode, I gave the dyn mode the same priority as the brake light, but I suspect this really doesn't matter
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Post by atlas123 on Feb 27, 2018 12:00:42 GMT
Thank you. That all makes sense, but I wonder if there is any collective community wisdom about what each dyn. turn signal mode means (or, in newer vehicles, the corresponding the "Außenlicht_Blinker" channel). Some, like the ones used in your mods below, seem to have been figured out but others seem to be mysterious. For example, what is "ABBA_Blinken" and "Dynamische_Blink_Delay"? What is "crash_flashing" and how is it different than the feature, which I am sure is enabled, that turns on hazards after an airbag deployment?
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Post by webtrak on Feb 27, 2018 14:12:10 GMT
ABBA_Blinken is a feature which automatically strobes tail lights in tempo when “Dancing Queen” comes on the radio.
*drops mic* 🎤😏
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Post by bearinthecorner on Dec 15, 2019 20:30:41 GMT
Thank you. That all makes sense, but I wonder if there is any collective community wisdom about what each dyn. turn signal mode means (or, in newer vehicles, the corresponding the " Außenlicht_Blinker" channel). Some, like the ones used in your mods below, seem to have been figured out but others seem to be mysterious. For example, what is "ABBA_Blinken" and "Dynamische_Blink_Delay"? What is "crash_flashing" and how is it different than the feature, which I am sure is enabled, that turns on hazards after an airbag deployment? Did anyone ever make any progress on defining these different modes? |
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Post by bman on Apr 2, 2020 11:55:32 GMT
Hi,
l’m new to this forum so please forgive me if I post the wrong “stuff”. I have a 2015 passat (b8) and would like to program 3rd brake light To flash with hazards on with OBDeleven
I have tried the adaptation shown here but it will not accept this adaptation.
Any help would be greatly appreciated , thanks in advance.
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Post by bman on Apr 2, 2020 12:22:27 GMT
Translated from my VCDS instructions (at the request of a colleague from another forum)
OBD11 Instructions - Various options for 3rd Brake light
- Select Central electrics control module (at address hex09)
- Select Security access
- Enter magic number 31347
- Select Adaptation
- Search for Leuchte22BR MA57
- For each of the Child channels in the table below, confirm that the values are as shown in the Stock Setting column
- Only if step V1. is confirmed, choose an option and alter the values for the bolded Child channels as shown in the table
- Repeat step V11. for further options if desired
- Return to Central Electrics main screen
- Select Adaptation
- Search for Dyn. turn signal modes
- For the chosen option(s), alter the values for the bolded Child channels as shown in the table
Don
Hi,
l’m new to this forum so please forgive me if I post the wrong “stuff”. I have a 2015 passat (b8) and would like to program 3rd brake light To flash with hazards on with OBDeleven
I have tried the adaptation shown here but it will not accept this adaptation.
Any help would be greatly appreciated , thanks in advance.
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Post by pathfiner on May 20, 2021 15:40:49 GMT
I know this post was last active 5 years ago.....but I have loaded this on a Mk7.5 and all seems to work ok
However...
The central brake light now flashes with A). the hazard warning lights (both directional indicators) and B.) with either the left or right hand directional indicator. I am happy with B). so long as the car is stationery but not if it is on the move. Is there a setting which prevents the Brake light from flashing when a Directional Indicator has been applied if the car is on the move?
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on May 20, 2021 20:33:54 GMT
post-up screenshots of the full Leuchte22BR MA57 - to be clear I need to see ALL 19 x adaptation channels
Don
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Post by pathfiner on May 21, 2021 7:41:20 GMT
Don Thanks for your quick reply.. Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Lasttyp 22|42 - LED dritte Bremsleuchte Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Lampendefektbitposition 22|29 Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Fehlerort mittleres Byte DTC-DFCC 22|2c Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Lichtfunktion A 22|Bremslicht Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Lichtfunktion B 22|Aktive Blinkfunktion hat ein auf 1 gesetztes zugeordnetes Bit in pa_dynamisch_blinken Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Dimmwert AB 22|100 Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Lichtansteuerung HD AB 22|always Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Lichtfunktion C 22|Blinken links Dunkelphase Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Lichtfunktion D 22|Blinken rechts Dunkelphase Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Dimmwert CD 22|0 Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Dimming Direction CD 22|minimize Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Lichtfunktion E 22|Bremslicht Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Lichtfunktion F 22|Rueckfahrlicht Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Dimmwert EF 22|127 Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Dimming Direction EF 22|maximize Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Lichtfunktion G 22|nicht aktiv Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Lichtfunktion H 22|nicht aktiv Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Dimmwert GH 22|0 Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Leuchte22BR MA57:|Dimming Direction GH 22|maximize Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Aussenlicht_Blinker:|ZV_Blinken_zu|active Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Aussenlicht_Blinker:|ZV_Blinken_auf|active Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Aussenlicht_Blinker:|Warnblinken_Zuendung_EIN|active Control unit: 09 Central Electrics|Adaptations|Aussenlicht_Blinker:|Warnblinken_Zuendung_AUS|active |
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on May 21, 2021 21:00:56 GMT
@pathfinder: hmmm......... I wanted to see screenshots of the Leuchte-set (i.e. a photo of the actual OBD11 screen) because that confirms the setting that has been used. No offense intended, but its possible to make errors because there are some similarly named Leuchte-commands that can be chosen.
For this tweak, the channels that stop the left/right turn-signal (as distinct from the hazard warning light signal) from lighting-up the brake light are
Lichtfunktion C 22 > Blinken links Dunkelphase Lichtfunktion D 22> Blinken rechts Dunkelphase Dimmwert CD 22 > 0 Dimming Direction CD 22 > minimize
If you are convinced that these channels are set correctly - I have no suggestions, alas
Don
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Post by menno67 on Dec 9, 2021 21:37:43 GMT
Question, i have activated the third brake light and the turn signals when the boot lid is open but now the third brake light is on when i turn left or right with the turn signal on.
What can be the fault.
Menno
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Dec 10, 2021 21:42:11 GMT
check these settings:
Lichtfunktion C 22 > Blinken links Dunkelphase
Lichtfunktion D 22> Blinken rechts Dunkelphase
Dimmwert CD 22 > 0
Dimming Direction CD 22 > minimize
Don
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Post by weiberhase01 on Dec 28, 2021 11:26:38 GMT
dv52 (Australia) I have recently purchased and installed the aerofabb competition spoiler. It removes the third brake light from the vehicle. I now receive the little lightbulb in the dash, right next to my Collision assist not available light, these two notifications constantly take over that bottom right corner of my screen where the trip computer is. Do you know of a way to disable one of both of those warning lights? Collision sensor needs an alignment as the bumper has been off, third brake light is removed from the car. 2019 GTI SE if it makes a difference
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Dec 28, 2021 20:51:56 GMT
weiberhase01 : hmm......... for the 3rd brake light - disable the Leuchte-set that controls the lamp. The correct way of doing this is like this: Central electrics module (hex09)
Leuchte22BR MA57
Lasttyp 22 > nicht aktiv
Lampendefektbitposition 22 > 0
Fehlerort mittleres Byte DTC-DFCC 22 > 0
Lichtfunktion A 22 > nicht aktiv
Lichtfunktion B 22 > nicht aktiv
Dimmwert AB 22 > 0
Lichtansteuerung HD AB 22 > Always
Lichtfunktion C 22 > nicht aktiv
Lichtfunktion D 22 > nicht aktiv
Dimmwert CD 22 > 0
Dimming Direction CD 22 > maximize
Lichtfunktion E 22 > nicht aktiv
Lichtfunktion F 22 > nicht aktiv
Dimmwert EF 22 > 0
Dimming Direction EF 22 > maximize
Lichtfunktion G 22 > nicht aktiv
Lichtfunktion H 22 > nicht aktiv
Dimmwert GH 22 > 0
Dimming Direction GH 22 > maximize
As for "collision assist" - we might have a problem with the definition of terms? Are you referring to crossroad assistant which is the facility whereby the driver is warned if a car is approaching when reversing?
Don
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Post by weiberhase01 on Dec 29, 2021 11:44:48 GMT
I will try those settings sometime this week. Thanks for that.
I believe the official name for the malfunctioning system is the “front collision assist” or “front collision avoidance” it uses the sensor in the VW logo on the front bumper to control automatic braking in an emergency situation. I had some repairs done and the bumper was removed and reinstalled. That has evidently gotten the sensor out of alignment and now there is constantly a dash light on. It’s a triangle with an exclamation point in it and also a small symbol on the screen between the gauges of a car avoiding a collision. The two lights come on and stay on even though it have turned off the system in the cars settings of the head unit. Just curious if there’s a way to disable the system or those lights. Eventually I’ll go have the sensor realigned and it will go away but it’ll be a while and would be nice to have no lights.
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Post by weiberhase01 on Dec 29, 2021 12:35:54 GMT
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