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Post by woodrabbit on May 24, 2024 15:59:46 GMT
Hello. I am trying to import a 2022 Golf R from Canada into the US. One of the hurdles are the brake malfunction lights on the instrument cluster. Canada uses the international symbology, but the US requires the word “BRAKE” to be displayed for some of these malfunctions. The US cars also display the word “PARK” when the parking brake is activated.
My first thought is that the instrument cluster may have to be changed to a US spec model. Turns out the part number for a US cluster and the Canadian cluster is the same.
My question is, can the display be changed using the OBDeleven by accessing the instrument control module and selecting the country version? I don’t have access to the car, it is with the import broker, or I would try it myself.
If anybody has experience with this, or could try and see if it works, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on May 24, 2024 22:54:47 GMT
For obvious reasons based in the main on the fact that I live in what Americans call "the very deep South" - my knowledge of "Yankee" cars ain't good! However, I provide a couple of suggestions for your consideration:
First, when you say "the part number for a US cluster and the Canadian cluster is the same" - what exactly do you mean? Modules in VAG vehicles have multiple identifiers, the most important for your purpose being: - Part Number - this identifies the physical equipment in the module (principally the motherboard version and the optional electronic components that have been factory populated on the motherboard)
- Software Number - as the name implies, this number identifies the version software/firmware, which is different to the coding values that OBD11 can access
So, your use if the term "part number" really needs to extend to both the module identifiers above
Second, the precise coding changes that will be required (if possible at all) are highly dependent on the actual version module that is installed in this car. I have a few examples of North American Region (NAR) mk8 Golfs in my database and I have found the following adaptation channels in the Dashboard module that look promising for your purpose:
Country version - China variant
- USA Variant
- Asian variant
With the caveat that I have never played with these channels, my observation is that on mk8s that are NOT sold in any of the 3 x markets above, the default value of the 3 x channels is No. Given your words "Canada uses the international symbology" (which I assume you meant as "international road rules"), my hope is that this car also has the factory setting No for these channels.
If my hope above is correct, the coding change could be as easy as changing the setting for channel-2 to Yes - maybe? The NAR model cars in my database do indeed have this setting!
My suggested coding change assumes that the physical capabilities of the module is compliant with the modification - meaning that there is actually a "Park"/"Brake" light facility on the instrument cluster!
It's possible to check the physical capabilities of the "indicator lights" to confirm that these lamps are installed on the Dashboard module - like this: - Navigate to the Dashboard module from the Control Units screen
- Scroll-down and select Output Test
- Select Indicator lights (024C) - or similar words on your particular module)
- Swipe-right SLIDE TO START to commence the test
- The procedure will flash each indicator light that is populated on the module motherboard - does this module have a "Park" and "Brake" light?
Finally, the focus of your question (and as a consequence, my reply) is the "Instrument cluster". However, the underlying assumption of this focus is that the Brake module on this car is factory coded to send a signal to the Dashboard module to turn-ON these indicator lights notwithstanding that the Dashboard module has been factory coded to prohibit this function. I don't know if this assumption is correct!!
If my suggested coding change is implemented AND if you confirm that the "instrument cluster" has the indicator-lamps AND if they do NOT illuminate - further coding changes may be required to the Brake module - perhaps?. If so, Brake module changes will be problematic because I suspect additional coding changes may be needed to the long-code string and I do not believe that information about the purpose of the Byte/Bits on this module is in the public domain!!
Don
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Post by woodrabbit on May 25, 2024 12:49:20 GMT
dv52, thank you for commenting.
When I referred to the instrument part number being the same, I was only referring to the part number for the instrument cluster itself, not the software version. I hadn’t even considered the possibility that different software versions existed, which is my lack of understanding all the variables.
I have no idea which software version is installed in the car, and it sounds like that could be a major stumbling block. I guess I need a Canadian user to determine if there is the ability to select a US version, and if the US required trouble lights are then displayed. Having said that, I guess there’s no way to know if my car has the same software version as being tested.
As I think about this and read your reply, I guess I won’t know if I can change the dash warning lights until I can get to the import broker and see if I can select US in the country version and get the required warning lights on my particular car.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on May 25, 2024 22:22:49 GMT
woodrabbit :Yes, many unknowns about this car. Below are two examples from my database of the stuff in my previous post. In these cases, the modules in the 2 x countries are exactly the same (VCDS was used to extract this information!! Hopefully your car is similar
Don PS: Note "SFD" in the bottom line of both examples - this means that you will need to sign-in to the SFD facility with your OBD11 account to access these modules
Canada 2022 Golf GTE
Address 17: Instruments (J285)
Part No SW: 5H0 920 340 B HW: 5H0 920 340 B
Component: KOMBI 220 5370
Dataset Number: V03935353UH 0001
Coding: 08BC02427B9CCF050280620B2000000830300000
ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQB37W 003033
ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQB37W_003_VW38.rod VCID: 211489E2D14B964200D-8074 SFD
NAR 2022 Golf R
Address 17: Instruments (J285)
Part No SW: 5H0 920 340 B HW: 5H0 920 340 B
Component: KOMBI 220 5350
Dataset Number: V03935353UH 0001
Coding: 04AC02407B9C00080180620B2000080810300000
ASAM Dataset: EV_DashBoardVDDMQB37W 003033
ROD: EV_DashBoardVDDMQB37W_003_VW38.rod
VCID: 210A021930D65E9BE4-8074 SFD
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Post by blizzard60 on May 26, 2024 6:03:20 GMT
Hey Don, there is no GTE in Canada, so I don’t think that info in your database is correct. Only GTI and R. woodrabbit , if I have time tomorrow, I’ll see if I can change the coding in the cluster of my car (2023 Canadian R) to read out like you are asking. Are you 100% sure the US R does that currently? Here’s a pic of my cluster tonight, it doesn’t say “PARK”, it has the ( P ) symbol. Is that what you are referring to? 
Just found this pic on a dealer’s website: www.vwmarin.com/used-San+Rafael-2023-Volkswagen-Golf+R-20T-WVWBB7CD9PW191127 So you need it to say PARK like ^ this? |
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Post by woodrabbit on May 26, 2024 13:38:29 GMT
Blizzard60, Thanks for your help trying to figure this out. Yes, the full word PARK would appear like in your second picture. As far as the brake warning light, the entire word “BRAKE” lights up on the dash to indicate there is a problem with the braking system. I have no defense for why the government thought this change was necessary!  |
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Post by woodrabbit on May 26, 2024 13:41:35 GMT
Here’s a picture from the US owners manual:  |
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Post by paneuropean on May 26, 2024 14:42:11 GMT
Turns out the part number for a US cluster and the Canadian cluster is the same. If the part number for US & Canadian instrument clusters is the same, that means that the symbol for brake problems (word BRAKE for USA cars vs. an international symbol for Canadian cars) is something that is electronically generated on a display screen. It's not a light that is illuminated from behind like the little arrows for the turn signal operation. That being the case, you should be able to make the change you want by changing the country code of the car as Don ( dv52 (Australia) ) has suggested in his post above. This same issue existed 20 years ago on VW Phaetons - if you changed the country code in the instrument cluster, it then changed the symbols used for brake malfunction, cruise control turned on, etc. such that cars coded for USA displayed words (BRAKE, CRUISE, etc.) and cars coded for Canada displayed symbols. Michael |
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Post by woodrabbit on May 26, 2024 16:33:26 GMT
PanEuropean, thanks for your comment.
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Post by blizzard60 on May 27, 2024 3:12:06 GMT
Hey woodrabbit, you can use the adaption channel that dv52 (Australia) recommended, and switch USA Variant to “YES”. This provides the symbols you need, but immediately gives you an instrument cluster fault. In my experience, system/dashboard faults are problematic when importing a car.  I do have an admap of a US 2022 GTI, but not an R. As dv52 (Australia) said, the adaption channel above is “yes” in that car. I’m really sorry I do not have time to compare the adaptions/codings of this GTI with mine at the moment to try and establish what else needs to change to eliminate the fault. I am totally with Don that it is most likely the brake module, that is my experience. But I have no idea what you’d need to change the adaptions or coding to. I’m really sorry I can’t be more help at the moment! |
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Post by woodrabbit on May 27, 2024 14:17:12 GMT
Blizzard60, I really appreciate your help.
I was optimistic that the US variant for the Instrument Cluster would be the fix. In the US owners manual, it shows “Brake” and the international brake drum with an exclamation point both for an “Electromechanical Brake Booster Failure”. I’m wondering if that’s what’s causing the coding and subsequent fault.
All the cars I work in are from the 50’s and 60’s, I’m really in the deep end trying to understand coding. I’m still having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that there isn’t a light bulb behind a piece of plastic. I keep defaulting to that thought process.
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Post by blizzard60 on May 27, 2024 15:11:28 GMT
No problem. During the week it's really hard for me to play with my car, but fingers crossed other members can. There has to be more US members on here, than CDN and really you need the coding from the US cars to try on the one you are importing.
If you've had no luck by next weekend, I will do my best to give it another try!
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Post by paneuropean on May 27, 2024 19:31:13 GMT
Here's a link to where you can find a complete diagnostic scan, including adaptation maps, for my Canadian 2024 GTI. I doubt if there is much difference in instrument cluster coding between a Canadian GTI & a Canadian R other than insignificant items such as the logo (GTI or R) displayed on the screens at startup. forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/40799/In that same section of the Ross-Tech forum you might be able to find a really detailed scan (with adaptation maps) of a USA spec GTI or R. You could then compare the two to see what the differences are. If you need to have the text labels (BRAKE, etc.) displayed in order to get your car approved for import, you might be able to get away with making the coding change and having the message about the instrument cluster fault present, if all the inspector is concerned about is the text label. You might also want to do a thorough search of the Ross-Tech forum to see if anyone has asked the same question (Canada to USA change) in the past. RossTech, the company behind the VCDS scan tool, has a very large customer base in North America, they are based in Pennsylvania. Michael |
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Post by blizzard60 on May 28, 2024 5:11:31 GMT
woodrabbit is the Golf R you are importing manual or DSG?
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Post by woodrabbit on May 31, 2024 15:03:01 GMT
The Golf R I’m Importing is manual.
My car was released from the import process Tuesday. I went to pick it up yesterday, and drove it back along HWY 20 in Washington state. It’s a beautiful road over the cascade mountains, climbing and descending with endless low speed corners. I may have exceeded the speed limit once or twice…
I want to thank everyone for their help. I really appreciate everyone taking time to help me.
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Post by blizzard60 on May 31, 2024 21:35:37 GMT
Yay, GREAT news! And that sure is a beautiful piece of road. I’ll be heading that way later this summer.
Would you mind posting what you did to get the green light on the import, or did you just end up getting lucky as the Golf R is on the list of permissible cars?
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Post by woodrabbit on Jun 2, 2024 20:19:12 GMT
The importer is required to ensure the car has all the required safety features, so they are the ones that were able to get the correct warning lights. When I picked the car up, the employee wasn’t aware of how it was done, and I haven’t been able to talk to anyone about it that understands what was done. It’s honestly a mystery to me.
I am so relieved and happy to put the import process behind me. I did save money in the process over buying a car in the US, but Im not sure the uncertainty and hassle was worth it. Not just the import, but the dealership was flaky and unreliable. I can’t see doing this again.
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Post by blizzard60 on Jun 3, 2024 4:51:43 GMT
The importer is required to ensure the car has all the required safety features, so they are the ones that were able to get the correct warning lights. When I picked the car up, the employee wasn’t aware of how it was done, and I haven’t been able to talk to anyone about it that understands what was done. It’s honestly a mystery to me. I am so relieved and happy to put the import process behind me. I did save money in the process over buying a car in the US, but Im not sure the uncertainty and hassle was worth it. Not just the import, but the dealership was flaky and unreliable. I can’t see doing this again. Oh shoot, sorry to hear that! Don’t like hearing that CDN companies are flaky! I guess it’s all behind you now, so just enjoy the car! Thanks for responding! I guess you’ll just bring it back to Canada if you have a warranty issue, or did you get an extended warranty in the states? |
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Post by woodrabbit on Jun 3, 2024 13:44:12 GMT
I’ve read conflicting stories about warranty coverage of Canadian cars in the US. Most say they’re not covered, a couple said a friendly dealer entered the VIN in the database and then had warranty work done. I live quite always from any VW dealer. There is one in Canada that is just as close as any other. If I need work I’ll most likely Drive to the Canadian dealer.
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