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Post by thatdutchguy on Jan 8, 2024 22:19:22 GMT
Hi new to this forum, i don't know if this has already been a question but when my front drl's are on all of my rear tail lights are on aswell but as soon as my headlights come on the inner tailights turn of and only the outer tail lights stay on is there a way to code that when the front headlights come on still all rear tail lights stay on so inner and outer ? because i see almost every audi a3 driving with inner and outer on at night only mine does not
Kind Regards Roy,
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 9, 2024 21:36:31 GMT
Roy : Hi. What type of tail-lights are fitted to this car (incandescent, or LED) and were these tail-lights factory installed? What country? Don
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Post by thatdutchguy on Jan 9, 2024 22:18:52 GMT
hi Don, thanks for the reply these are the tail lights LED rear combination lamps with dynamic turn signal
that is what it says on the option list these are factory installed lights country is the netherlands roy
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 10, 2024 20:43:21 GMT
Roy - OK, we need to get-down to specifics - please provide the Audi equipment number from the "option list" for the tail-lights
Also- I need to understand EXACTLY which of the lamps on the inner tail-lights switch-OFF. When you say "as soon as my headlights come on the inner tailights turn of and only the outer tail lights stay on"- I assume that you are referring-to the Parking-lights (PL) ONLY - maybe you call these "position lights". Is this correct?
Finally, please post-up a screen-shots of Leuchte27NSL RC6 and Leuchte23SL HLC10. To be clear, I need to see ALL 19 x adaptation channels for each Leuchte-set in the screenshots
Don
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Post by thatdutchguy on Jan 11, 2024 14:02:18 GMT
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 11, 2024 22:21:04 GMT
OK - the Leuchte-set programming in your pictures doesn't indicate why the inner tail-light fittings turn-OFF when low-beam lights turn-ON! In fact, quite the opposite: Leuchte23SL HLC10-Lichtfunktion A 23 > Standlicht allgemein (Schlusslicht: Positionslicht: Begrenzungslicht) (look at your screenshot) is the Leuchte-command to activate the Parking Light function (maybe you call this "position light") This means that the cause of this problem lies elsewhere- but where? Have you had this car from new and has there been any coding changes made to this car?
Please post-up screenshots of Leuchte16BLK SLB35BLK SL KC9 - again, I need to see ALL 19 x channels in your pictures
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Post by thatdutchguy on Jan 23, 2024 17:19:48 GMT
Hi, sorry for the extreme late reply yeah i think it's called position lights but the inner taylights turn of while parked or driving as soon as the low beam lights come on and i see almost every audi driving around with the the inner and outer tail lights on while driving with low beam on here are the screenshots from the leuchte set you asked for i hope this helps i'd like to get the inner tail lights on aswell when low beams are on thanks Kind Regards Roy
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 23, 2024 21:54:17 GMT
Roy: hmm............. the values on the Leuchte-set in your last post are most-strange!! I can't understand why it would be programmed in this manner.
So - this Leuchte-set is fundamentally programmed as a turn-signal lamp (and as a Coming-Home/Leaving-Home light) - albeit the turn-signal Leuchte-command that is used is for counter-blinking with the turn-signal lamp on the outer tail-light fitting.
However, for some unknown reason - the turn-signal Leuchte-command has been negated by adding the DRL Leuchte-command as a higher priority lighting function. This means that whenever the turn-signal lever is activated AND it's daylight, the lamp will simply illuminate as a DRL lamp at full intensity (i.e. it won't blink). But at nighttime when the low-beam lights are turned-ON, this lamp will turn-OFF and it will operate as a counter blinking turn-sgnal. DOES MY EXPLANATION COMPLY WITH WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS?
What is the history of this car - in particular, are the tail-lights factory installed and do you know why the Leuchte-sets have been altered in this very strange manner?
Don
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Post by thatdutchguy on Jan 24, 2024 19:35:14 GMT
hi don yes i get the explanation but as far as i know nothing has been changed or different lights these are factory as far as i know of i don't know if anyone has coded the car before me it is a belgium delivered car that has been imported to the netherlands i checked what you said with the turn signals they will do the dynamic turning with low beams on or off they will always keep on dynamic blinking only thing when low beams are on the inner drl tail light wil ligt up when the blinker reaches the outside tail light and will keep doing that i hope this makes sense what i'm saying and for the rest the only things i did to the car was with the obdeleven one click apps like the joker lights but i can't get them to work through the one click app so i turned that off again kind regards Roy
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 24, 2024 21:07:07 GMT
Roy: Yes, the oddly coded Leuchte16BLK SLB35BLK SL KC9 operates "the inner drl tail light" ONLY - so the turn-signal lamp on the outer tail light fitting should NOT be affected!
I suspect that the problem with this car has resulted from your use of the One Click App (OCA). I NEVER use OCAs because they make changes to the car's coding that are undisclosed.
So, while you say that you "turned that off again"- the secret changes made by the OCA did NOT revert the coding for the tail-lights back to the factory settings!!
Normally, if the changes were made manually - I would suggest that you review the records in History - but as I have said, OCAs do NOT disclose their coding changes - hence no change records in History.
hmm...... how to proceed? I understand from your words that the outer turn-signal operates correctly. Maybe we can code the inner turn-signal the same as the outer turn-signal?
Please post-up Leuchte18BLK HLA60 (again, ALL 19 x channels in your screenshots)
Don
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Post by thatdutchguy on Feb 2, 2024 17:25:47 GMT
hi Don thanks again for the reply here are the screenshots of the leuchte command you asked for i hope we might be able to work this out and get it working correctly again Kind Regards Roy
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Feb 2, 2024 21:30:31 GMT
hmm....... I really don't know why these tail-lights are coded as per your screenshots - it's all very strange indeed!!!
It's such a mess - I suspect the best approach is to start from the beginning and recode everything to factory settings!! Let's start by getting the inner and outer turn-signal lights to operate correctly and then we can proceed to the other lights!
Make the changes below and confirm that the turn-signal lights work OK on each car side with the rotary light switch on ALL positions
Leuchte18BLK HLA60 and Leuchte16BLK SLB35BLK SL KC9 Lichtfunktion A > Blinken links Hellphase Lichtfunktion B > not active Dimmwert AB > 127 Lichtansteuerung HD AB > Always Lichtfunktion C > Blinken links Dunkelphase Lichtfunktion D > not active Dimmwert CD > 0 Dimming Direction CD > maximize Lichtfunktion E > not active Lichtfunktion F > not active Dimmwert EF > 0 Dimming Direction EF > maximize Lichtfunktion G > not active Lichtfunktion H > not active Dimmwert GH > 0 Dimming Direction GH > maximize
Leuchte19BLK HRC31 and Leuchte17TFL R BLK BLK SRB3TFL R SR KC3
Lichtfunktion A > Blinken rechts Hellphase Lichtfunktion B > not active Dimmwert AB > 127 Lichtansteuerung HD AB > Always Lichtfunktion C > Blinken rechts Dunkelphase Lichtfunktion D > not active Dimmwert CD > 0 Dimming Direction CD > maximize Lichtfunktion E > not active Lichtfunktion F > not active Dimmwert EF > 0 Dimming Direction EF > maximize Lichtfunktion G > not active Lichtfunktion H > not active Dimmwert GH > 0 Dimming Direction GH > maximize
Don
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Post by thatdutchguy on Feb 3, 2024 11:23:44 GMT
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Feb 3, 2024 23:00:36 GMT
Roy: OK- so now we have the turn-signals operating correctly - let's move to the other lights.
Rather than me asking for more Leuchte-set screenshots - probably the best way to proceed with these lights is for you to make a back-up of the central electrics module. Once the back-up file is made, put it in a new post as an attachment (don't dump the file contents into a post because it's too big).
Also, what is the manufacture date of this car - I ask because the wiring arrangement for the 8SP option varies depending on the build date
Don
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Post by thatdutchguy on Feb 4, 2024 11:03:54 GMT
hi don the manufacture date of the car should be 06-2017 i included the backup of the central electronics unit as an attachment i'll also include a picture of what i would like the rear ligths to be so that is what i would like the rear tail lights to be all the time as this audi has i hope it's possible to work this out on how we can code this in kind regard Roy Attachments:OBDeleven_Log.txt (237.11 KB)
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Feb 5, 2024 5:33:51 GMT
the manufacture date of the car should be 06-2017 Ok, the manufacture date 06-2017 make stuff very different because there were wiring changes to p8sp LED tail-lights in May 2017.
On the version tails on your car, the outer turn-signal lamp is supplied by Leuchte24SL HRA65 on the left-side and Leuchte23SL HLC10 on the right-side. We set-up these Leuchte-sets in my last post. However, the turn-signal lamp on the inner fittings on your car are directly wired to the outer fittings - so these lamps don't use Leuchte-sets Leuchte16BLK SLB35BLK SL KC9 and Leuchte17TFL R BLK SRB3TFL R BLK SR KC3. Instead, these 2 x Leuchte-sets are used to drive the position-lights on the inner fittings
So. make the changes below and according to my review of your Back-up data, the tail-lights should be set back to factory values
Leuchte16BLK SLB35BLK SL KC9 and Leuchte17TFL R BLK SRB3TFL R BLK SR KC3. Lichtfunktion A > Standlicht allgemein (Schlusslicht: Positionslicht: Begrenzungslicht) Lichtfunktion B > Coming Home oder Leaving Home aktiv Dimmwert AB > 70 Lichtansteuerung HD AB > Always Lichtfunktion C > not active Lichtfunktion D > not active Dimmwert CD > 0 Dimming Direction CD > maximize Lichtfunktion E > not active Lichtfunktion F > not active Dimmwert EF > 0 Dimming Direction EF > maximize Lichtfunktion G > not active Lichtfunktion H > not active Dimmwert GH > 0 Dimming Direction GH > maximize
Don
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Post by thatdutchguy on Feb 7, 2024 19:44:36 GMT
hi Don, thankyou for all the quality help they work fine now and work like they should as in the picture in the previous post Again Thanks for the quality help and your knowledge Roy
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Post by Ozzy on Apr 5, 2024 4:58:42 GMT
Hi sorry to high jack this thread but I have a similar issue and this thread has helped so far.
My mechanic has try to fix an issue I had which he has but has created a small issue in doing so.
When my rear DRL are off and I indicate the outer DRL fashes with the dynamic indicator. Also the indicators now flash alternately front to rear rather than at the same time.
I have a 2017 S3 facelift with the dynamic indicators and LED lights.
I’m thinking if I can stop the outer DRL from flashing with the indicator the front to rear might sort itself out too.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Apr 5, 2024 20:15:11 GMT
Ozzy : Hmm........ a fundamental requirement to providing an informed response to forum questions is understanding the problem !!! Alas, there is much that is confusing (to me, at least) in your words. - What country is this?
- What is a "rear DRL"?
- Why did this car have a "similar issue" that caused this problem?
- I wasn't aware that a "2017 S3 facelift" had factory installed "dynamic indicators with LED lights" - what type of tail-lights were factory fitted to this car?
- If you have retrofitted non-OEM tail-lights, please provide details of the new equipment (including the cross-wiring harness, if fitted)
- Given that multiple changes appear to have already been made to this car (i assume by you and your mechanic) - the coding of the central electrics module will be very different to factory. Please provide a back-up file for the 09 module.
Don
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Post by Ozzy on Apr 5, 2024 21:44:39 GMT
Hey Don, thank you for your time. I am in Australia. Rear DRL I call rear daytime running lights which obdeleven call Scandinavian so they are on with the front DRL’s unless I have the hand brake on. These rear lights are factory fitted from new, genuine Audi with the dynamic turn signals just like the previous person in this thread. The previous issue I had was that one of the rear inductors stopped sweeping and just started flashing with all other indicators sweeping. This was due to me changing a setting that I thought was for the front DRL’s but have realised it was for the rear dynamic indicators. I managed to find this out and change it back but not before my mechanic had a go and changed something so now the when DRL’s are off and the indicator is on the outer rear red DRL flashes with the indicator at the rear. To note all indicators work as they should except they work alternately, the front will sweep and when they are off the rear will sweep.
It’s like the rear red lights are coded as daytime running lights with the fronts but when they are off the outer rear ones are coded to be an indicator.
I’ll get the log for you today hopefully.
Thanks again
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Post by Ozzy on Apr 5, 2024 23:52:58 GMT
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Post by Ozzy on Apr 5, 2024 23:54:18 GMT
Hey mate. So I did a back up and there will be some history of changes I made.
Hope this is ok?
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Apr 6, 2024 2:24:55 GMT
ozzy : G'day cobber!! So - I have to admit that whenever I ask for a 09 module back-up, I cringe because I dread getting a backup where I do NOT understand the coding changes that someone else has made (because 09 module backup is so complex). Alas, this is the case with your back-up - I have absolutely NO idea what the intention was when changing the Leuchte-set values!! You say that "all indicators work as they should except they work alternately". This can't be because the coding on the factory Leuchte-set for the inner turn-signal lamps is programmed as a Parking-light and Single-side Parking Light function. So the 2 x inner turn-signal lamps on this car shouldn't operate as turn-signal lights at all because they do NOT contain the leuchte-commands for the turn-signal function!! Also, changes have been made to the Leuchte-sets for a number of lamps in the headlight fittings. However, I'm fairly certain that the central electrics module does NOT control the headlights on this car. Instead, I suspect that the headlight lamps are controlled by another module (i.e. J745) I need more information about the matters above before proceeding !!!! Don
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Post by Ozzy on Apr 7, 2024 6:20:29 GMT
G’day guys. I will try and be as clear as I can but thanks to everyone for input so far. Yes it is a little messy but I have an idea. Let’s just tackle the first issue.
When I indicate either right or left and my lights are turned off the rear red outer light flashes with the indicator. The indicator itself works fine. When my lights are on the outer red rear lights don’t flash with the indicator. I need to stop the outer rear red lights flashing with my indicator.
Now when I was playing and I coded the Pace Car Indicators all this did is turn the inner and outer RED lights to pace car and not my indicators.
So it seems like with this outer res light flashing as an indicator I’ve got half the coding for pace car. The outer one flashes not the inner one.
Perhaps I need to go through the pace car coding and reverse it but I don’t know what the outer red tail lights settings were to start with?
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Apr 7, 2024 21:38:52 GMT
Try this: Leuchte24SL HRA65 and Leuchte23SL HLC10: - Lichtfunktion E > nicht aktiv
- Dimmwert EF > 0
- Lichtfunktion G > nicht aktiv
- Dimmwert GH > 0
Don
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Post by Ozzy on Apr 8, 2024 1:16:46 GMT
Absolute legend mate.
Now for the tester. This is not so important but interested to see if it can be rectified.
Correct me if I’m wrong but when the indicators are on they work at the same time front to back?
Mine alternate like older cars with bulbs, the front will flash and then when the front is off the back will flash and so on and so forth.
Not so important but would be interested to see if I can change it back unless this is how it’s suppose to be and I’m just imagining things.
Ozzy.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Apr 8, 2024 2:32:16 GMT
Ozzy: good about the "outer red rear lights" - but as I said, there much about the coding on this module that has me totally flummoxed !! So here's the thing, the standard factory coding for the lamps on the tail-lights dedicates 4 x leuchte-sets to the turn-signal function - being one Leuchte-set for each of the 4 individual lamps (being, an "outer" and "inner" turn-signal lamp on each car-side). This means that the standard factory coding for the P8SP tail-light option (which is dynamic turn-signal) on an Audi A3 8V includes the Leuchte-command for the turn-signal function on the following: - Leuchte18BLK HLA60 = outer left-side turn-signal lamp
- Leuchte19BLK HRC31 = outer right-side turn-signal lamp
- Leuchte16BLK SLB35BLK SL KC9 = inner left-side turn-signal lamp
- Leuchte17TFL R BLK SRB3TFL R BLK SR KC3 = inner right-side turn-signal lamp
On the central electric module for this car, ONLY 1. and 2. above have the turn-signal leuchte-command.
Plus, the records in your history data confirm that originally, 3. and 4. also had the turn-signal Leuchte-command. However, the coding was changed so that the inner turn-signal lamps now operate as Public-Lighting and as Single-Side-Public-Lighting. So again, I can't understand how you say that the turn-signal lamps on these tail-lights operate OK (albeit they counter-blink with the front turn-signal lights) - when the inner turn-signal lamps are now NOT programmed with the turn-signal function !! Anyhow, this is messin' with the membranes in my brain way too much!!
So, it's entirely your decision how you proceed - but the changes below will revert the Leuchte-sets for the rear 4 x turn signal lamps back to factory settings (and the rear lamps should blink in unison with the front lamps). I've separated the instructions into "outer" and "inner" - so you can decide what (if any) changes to make!!
Don
Outer turn-signal lamps:
Leuchte18BLK HLA60 and Leuchte19BLK HRC31:
Dimmwert AB > 127
Dimmwert CD > 0
Inner turn-signal lamps Leuchte16BLK SLB35BLK SL KC9 Lasttyp > 38 - LED Blinkleuchten Lampendefektbit Position > no change Fehlerort mittleres Byte DTC-DFCC > no change Lichtfunktion A > Blinken links Hellphase Lichtfunktion B > nicht aktiv Dimmwert AB > 127 Lichtansteuerung HD AB > Always Lichtfunktion C > Blinken links Dunkelphase Lichtfunktion D > nicht aktiv Dimmwert CD > 0 Dimming Direction CD > maximize Lichtfunktion E > nicht aktiv Lichtfunktion F > nicht aktiv Dimmwert EF > 0 Dimming Direction EF > maximize Lichtfunktion G > nicht aktiv Lichtfunktion H > nicht aktiv Dimmwert GH > 0 Dimming Direction GH > maximize Leuchte17TFL R BLK SRB3TFL R BLK SR KC3
Lasttyp > 38 - LED Blinkleuchten Lampendefektbit Position > no change Fehlerort mittleres Byte DTC-DFCC > no change Lichtfunktion A > Blinken rechts Hellphase Lichtfunktion B > nicht aktiv Dimmwert AB > 127 Lichtansteuerung HD AB > Always Lichtfunktion C > Blinken rechts Dunkelphase Lichtfunktion D > nicht aktiv Dimmwert CD > 0 Dimming Direction CD > maximize Lichtfunktion E > nicht aktiv Lichtfunktion F > nicht aktiv Dimmwert EF > 0 Dimming Direction EF > maximize Lichtfunktion G > nicht aktiv Lichtfunktion H > nicht aktiv Dimmwert GH > 0 Dimming Direction GH > maximize
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Post by Ozzy on Apr 8, 2024 9:01:00 GMT
Once again mate, legend.
All I changed was the module 18 and 19 with the 127 and 0 settings as mine were the other way round. Now all indicators sweep like they should and all together with no extra red lights.
I know this will hurt your brain but I’ve previously changed the 16 and 17 module and this just changed the way the rear red tail lights behaved, from memory it just made the indicator light always on and the red lights as indicators. Go figure.
Your knowledge is far superior.
Thanks again mate.
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