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Post by stepet68 on Aug 3, 2017 9:26:52 GMT
I was playing around with my Obdeleven and found something odd. In control unit 17 - Instrument cluster, Byte 01 - Bit 6 is set and according to the developer text it means I have MMI 3G installed. I am quite confident that I have Concert. What could I be missing here?   |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 10:36:26 GMT
stepet68 I don't know but at a guess i would suggest one of three options
1/ The developer text is incorrect - I am sure these are created by users so its possible they are wrong
2/ This value is part of the setup for both Concert and 3G and therefore as with 1/ above its incorrectly titled
3/ You do have MMI 3G Installed but I am guessing you know that's not true.
If you switch to the long coding text screen (using the 0 instead of the 1 at the top of the screen) what options does it show there with regards to this item.
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Post by stepet68 on Aug 3, 2017 11:16:43 GMT
Thank you for your quick response cupra280. Your three options sounds reasonable. I just bought my Q5 two month ago and I did struggle with learning about the different radio interfaces. All explanations I have found on how to tell which one you have are saying that the control dial and where it is located tells you what you have. Could I really have MMI 3G installed with an interior looking like mine on the picture above?
Unfortunately, I do not have the 0|1 switch so I cannot see any explaining text. Out of 28 control units in my car, only six have UDS and not all of them have that switch. This is quite problematic I think. It is really difficult to find appropriate coding. Well, I am new at this so I might learn after some time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 12:00:33 GMT
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Post by stepet68 on Aug 3, 2017 12:34:48 GMT
Thanks! Yes, I have seen those and I understand the difficulty to differ from 2G, 3G Basic, 3G Plus and other variants. I don't even have MMI as far as I know.  I have found lots of mods on various forums and sites and have done a few of them like Mirror tip on reverse, Activate graphical parking assist, Needle sweep, Rear wiper auto off, and Drive (reverse) without seat belt. It is really enjoyable. My main problem is to figure out which mod works on which car. I do not really understand when a mod works on many different cars and when it only works on some cars. It is also not clear to me why some have textual long coding and others don't in Obdeleven. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 13:43:34 GMT
all I can say on my 2014 car all the long coding offers me both TEXTUAL (0) and HEX BYTE/BIT (1). From what i have worked out so far the UDS Moduals support both the non UDS ones only do (1) For my car i know that the coding on VW GOLF, Audi A/S 3 and Leon all work the same way but one of the main issues is the level of equipment to enable stuff to work. So for example my car came with Radar and Full Set of window sensors so I have been able to make lots of changes but on a lower spec car the coding would not enable change as its not supported. There are also changes that work on some cars but not others (and nobody has worked out why yet) prime example being rain closing windows. On some changes you will get an error message upfront saying its not supported. On other changes it will accept the change and when you run a scan you will get an error message like U112100 - Databus missing message or B130652 - Vehicle positioning system interface control module Not activated its a different car but some of the logic still works so I have recorded the errors and fixes here obdeleven.proboards.com/thread/1783/fix-error-codesCheck out VCDS sites and some of the logic will become obvious so you can code changes using that code (and its always good to share in a stream here so others can use it) I would also always recommend taking backups so you can see what you changed (as well as using your history) and then make some changes and see if it works. Last thing to advise on from my experience the late 2016/17 cars have different setups to older cars (VAG Changed stuff) the 2012-15 cars that i look after all seem very simular but pre 2012 have older style coding so have a look at the other Audi models for the same year as your car and see if they match what you have done previously. Personally I stay away from breaks / airbags and fyi US Cars are different to rest of the world. cheers |
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Post by stepet68 on Aug 3, 2017 16:57:07 GMT
Good advises! Yes, I do backups, send the history via email to myself and keep a record of my codings in a separate excel file. How unfair to have 0/1 on all your control units. I hope your car from 2014 is not a Q5, like mine. That would be even more unfair.  I find a lot of mods on VCDS sites to be textual and not in HEX/Byte/Bit. I wish there was a Long coding helper for all units in obdeleven. EDIT: How do you use the thumbs Up and Down in connection the developer text? Should I do some thumbs down even if I do not know if it is correct or not regarding MMI 3G? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 17:25:13 GMT
No I have a Cupra 280 and yes it is unfair but its how the car came so I am very happy.
Re Long coding helper they (obd11) have given users the ability so it will get there over time but based on this site and others it will be mainstream (GOLF, A3, Leon) that will get the most but lets hope i am wrong.
Anyway enjoy the fun of looking on the web and playing with the tool to make your car even better.
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Post by stepet68 on Aug 3, 2017 18:42:49 GMT
Yes, the helper will eventually be built up within obd11. I am however a bit curious on how user can be sure that the entered text is accurate. I have seen some differing suggestions and my first post in this thread is also in line with a bit of worry that it might not work as intended. Perhaps I do not fully understand how things work. Some questions:
1. If I would enter some developer text in one of my control units, who else will see it in their application? Is it shown only to Q5 2014 cars or can other car owners see it as well?
2. How can one be confident that the text is accurate? If there was no help text from the beginning, where do users get it from?
3. How is the thumbs up and down used? If I give the text MMI 3G a thumbs down, what will happen? Where can I read more about this?
I have seen some good text that I found accurate which I have given thumbs up after I have tested the mod. I hope the amout of users is large enough so that the helper builds up rapidly and accurately. I find the Obdeleven really valuable already but with the text it will be even more awsome.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 21:29:54 GMT
Afraid i have not done a lot of work in this area so cant speak from experience but the following is how I think/hope it works 1/ If this works like the rest of OBD11 all the data is stored on OBD11 Servers so as soon as you add a new one it will be seen by anybody else who is looking at your type of car. Some people worry about this but for me it means you have a real time database update and don't have to have somebody doing a Google Push and if there is an issue then OBD11 Can fix it quickly You also asked about is it shown only to Q5 2014 cars, my belief is yes because they (OBD11) use your VIN / Engine details to group all the same cars together so you if update something then I would not expect to see this on my Cupra setup as they are different. 2/ I think that a number of experts have already provided information and obviously they cant just import VCDS data as that is copyright material and in fact these days they are encrypting the files to stop this. But the short answer is people like me would not add to this because we don't have the knowledge and you have to sign up for the rights to do this Super Users get this information because they have used other tools and speak bytes and bits as a native language  , they work on the cars in garages so have some experience and they play with settings to learn. With regards to confidence I expect only people who are sure they are doing it correctly will bother to update and if you get somebody who just plays with the values. Then the user community via the thumbs up/down will advise OBD11 and they will remove the rights to update and I am guessing would back out all the changes that person has made. 3/ Again this is a guess on my part but this is how the OBD11 Community will police the quality and if you are unsure just drop support a message via the app and they can keep an eye on this as well. Yes there are a lot of people who use this tool (along with others) and this addition will help expand user base. You still have your backups and history section so if you make a change (due to bad text) and it does not work as expected then you can easily revert it back to how it was. Admin it would he helpful if you could just confirm i have this correct. Cheers |
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Post by OBDeleven on Aug 4, 2017 7:55:05 GMT
Afraid i have not done a lot of work in this area so cant speak from experience but the following is how I think/hope it works 1/ If this works like the rest of OBD11 all the data is stored on OBD11 Servers so as soon as you add a new one it will be seen by anybody else who is looking at your type of car. Some people worry about this but for me it means you have a real time database update and don't have to have somebody doing a Google Push and if there is an issue then OBD11 Can fix it quickly You also asked about is it shown only to Q5 2014 cars, my belief is yes because they (OBD11) use your VIN / Engine details to group all the same cars together so you if update something then I would not expect to see this on my Cupra setup as they are different. 2/ I think that a number of experts have already provided information and obviously they cant just import VCDS data as that is copyright material and in fact these days they are encrypting the files to stop this. But the short answer is people like me would not add to this because we don't have the knowledge and you have to sign up for the rights to do this Super Users get this information because they have used other tools and speak bytes and bits as a native language , they work on the cars in garages so have some experience and they play with settings to learn. With regards to confidence I expect only people who are sure they are doing it correctly will bother to update and if you get somebody who just plays with the values. Then the user community via the thumbs up/down will advise OBD11 and they will remove the rights to update and I am guessing would back out all the changes that person has made. 3/ Again this is a guess on my part but this is how the OBD11 Community will police the quality and if you are unsure just drop support a message via the app and they can keep an eye on this as well. Yes there are a lot of people who use this tool (along with others) and this addition will help expand user base. You still have your backups and history section so if you make a change (due to bad text) and it does not work as expected then you can easily revert it back to how it was. Admin it would he helpful if you could just confirm i have this correct. Cheers cupra280 you are totally right. Long coding descriptions can be inaccurate and we alerted about it when we released this function. Every customer can provide information so it is natural that some information can be fake or just inaccurate. We hope that our users will help us to improve descriptions by providing better suggestions and voting for the good and bad ones. In stepet68 situation, I think that information is just inaccurate and this bit means that any of multimedia system is installed. I have checked same car coding of Dashboard with VCDS and find out that VCDS is showing exactly same information in this byte/bit so it means that someone just transferred this information from VCDS to OBDeleven system via our labels development system. |
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Post by stepet68 on Aug 4, 2017 9:08:07 GMT
Thank you Admin for commenting on this. Just a short question to see if I understand this correctly. If I would check this bit information with VCDS on my car, it would say something like Audi Music Interface (AMI) instead of MMI 3G?
This specific information is not that important to me. The importance is that users that help out with building the long coding descriptions are aware that some information might be car dependent. However, I think it is better to add the text that is present and not hesitate to help others. I am glad someone actually did enter MMI 3G so that the building process gets going. Now I know what that bit stands for. I hope more users with will help out now.
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Post by OBDeleven on Aug 4, 2017 12:03:26 GMT
If you will check it with VCDS you will see same as is in OBDeleven "Multimedia Interface Generation 3(MMI 3G) installed". I think that this bit description is correct but ON/OFF descriptions are switched. I have checked 2 vehicles with MMI 3G and both have this bit uncecked as in your car without MMI 3G this bit is checked.
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Post by stepet68 on Aug 5, 2017 8:27:41 GMT
Thanks for checking that out admin!
My main reason for getting so interested in the MMI text is that I would really like to code Traffic Sign Recognition in my car but for some strange reason it looks like you need MMI to make it work. I have Lane Assist and therefore the camera that is needed. This is strange I think and I really do not understand why it would not work with AMI. If someone have any insight in this I would be glad to hear about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 13:12:50 GMT
Just a shot in the dark but have you tried looking at the coding on A3 or A5 for same year to see if you have similar setup and if you do then give it a go, you can always revert if it don't work.
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Post by stepet68 on Aug 5, 2017 13:35:44 GMT
Yes, I am looking for any car with Traffic Sign codes. My main problem is that most of them are textual and not in Byte/Bit. I have not found coding to test that is not in control unit 5F which I don't have. If anyone have seen something to test I will gladly do it.
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I find a lot of mods on VCDS sites to be textual and not in HEX/Byte/Bit. I wish there was a Long coding helper for all units in obdeleven. 
, they work on the cars in garages so have some experience and they play with settings to learn.
