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Post by brkica on Sept 9, 2023 13:54:50 GMT
Hi, I have a kessy enabled golf 8, MY 2021, but I do not have keyless entry to the vehicle. My kessy module is 5WA959436B. I would like to retrofit the new door handles with the touch sensor, but I struggle to find any info/retrofit kits online. Did anybody try to retrofit the door handles with the touch sensor to share their experience? To me it looks like just the door handles need to be replaced and wired to the kessy module, followed by some basic adaptations, as the antennas and kessy module are already installed from factory.
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Post by kkpr3 on Oct 6, 2023 17:20:25 GMT
Hi!
I am almost done with this retrofit but it is quite complicated. No, the antennas are not installed. You have to mount one under the car for each side and wire them to the kessy module. The kessy module needs to be replaced either with revision C or J.
After this, you need to flash both B7 (kessy) and 09 (bcm) with MATCHING datasets. Then code. Otherwise it won’t work.
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Post by schneider on Oct 8, 2023 9:33:32 GMT
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Post by hubson on Oct 9, 2023 13:24:50 GMT
I have a Golf GTE 8 and I want to retrofit keyless entry. I have electrical diagrams.I'm at the stage of ordering parts.
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Post by brkica on Oct 21, 2023 7:49:23 GMT
Hi kkpr3, could you tell where you ordered the parts. I see these aliexpress sets, but I dislike the design of the handles with that chrome strip... Did you opt for a new kessy ECU or can a second-hand unit be used (i.e does that module have component protection?)
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Post by Antera on Oct 30, 2023 15:55:49 GMT
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Post by kkpr3 on Oct 31, 2023 17:14:34 GMT
Hi, no CP removal necessary.
The Ali kit won't fit correctly. Even the connectors are different. You must trim the connectors and swap the pins. Or keep your stock handels and move the sensor inside along with the little wiring and add the pins in the stock connector (from the handle to the door).
I did everything on my own using the factory parts (took a lot of time but no spare parts around),also this way it was super cheap.
Still stuck with the coding though.
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Post by brkica on Oct 31, 2023 17:17:55 GMT
Ordered the Aliexpress kit. Will take some time to arrive. I hope to switch the sensor inserts from the Aliexpress handles to my handle housings without the dimple (I really dislike the chrome strip) Will see how that goes...
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Post by brkica on Nov 28, 2023 22:53:02 GMT
Hi kkpr3, I hope you sorted out the coding I am still stuck in the retrofit phase and would appreciate your help. Could you share the wiring diagram for the kessy module? All the wiring diagrams available online (atleast the ones I found) only show wiring for the front doors, not the rear ones. Would you know where to pin the two wires for the sensors in the rear door handles? Also, what is your experience with accessing the kessy module? Did you remove the dash or did you find a way how to approach the module without extensive dissasembly?
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Post by newty on Nov 29, 2023 16:15:01 GMT
Yep. There are no Kessy read handles in the Golf, so they are not in the wiring diagrams.
You can have a look at the Octavia 4 which should have all 4 handles with keyless sensors or try to match the Passat B8
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Post by brkica on Dec 5, 2023 18:29:47 GMT
Thank you for the hint. I found it and wired according to the Octavia IV schematic. I am still having issues with coding, though, hopefully to be resolved soon. The car senses my touch to the handles by turning on the welcome lights but it does not unlock.
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Post by kkpr3 on Dec 5, 2023 21:20:59 GMT
Hi! I haven't been able to move on with the coding yet. It is really hard to work on datasets. Especially on our platform. A lot of key features are bonded to the dataset. Flashing the wrong one can enable some things but permanently DISABLE others! They also vary with the year of production and equipment. Along with all this, there is the B7. Dataset here is important too. Must match with the 09, another pain in the ***.
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Post by kkpr3 on Jan 4, 2024 12:23:28 GMT
brkica i have a small update. Today I flashed the datasets and now the car is error-free... but guess what? The keyless entry still does not work. I am searching among the adaptions to see if i am missing something.
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Post by brkica on Jan 4, 2024 14:56:37 GMT
Hi kkpr3, It is damn hard to get the bloody thing working... I am stuck in the same limbo of having everything coded, yet the car does not lock or unlock when approaching with the key. At least I can still lock/unlock by pressing the key on the fob. In my case, when I touch the door handle, the front lights turn on (so the car is aware of me touching it) yet no locking/unlocking action. I do have a VIN mismatch DTC in my module 09 though, as I flashed a VIN non-matching dataset to the Kessy-IO module. I am quite sure that this is not a party breaker as the dataset is fine. What versions of firmware/datasets do you use on your car? Could you write down the versions or provide a full scan? I updated only BCM-Central electrics (just FW) and the Kessy-IO (FW+dataset) to the newest releases, nothing else... In your case, you might need to readapt the key to the car. Easily done with ODIS. I am quite sure this is necessary after the Kessy module is replaced, as one memory address on the module is written only after the key adaptation procedure. I would go and try this, should not brick anything. Just be careful and never interupt the procedure. If the procedure fails, you won't be able to do anything on the car (lock/unlock/start it) and in the worst case scenario you will need a brand new BCM. Additionally, there are numerous Basic settings for the antennas, touch sensors, convergence scans, key localizations, etc in the Central electrics... I have no idea if employing any of these is needed to pair the key with the car. It needs to comunicate securely via UWB so we might just be missing a basic setting that establishes secure communication protocols between the fob and the car.
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Post by crow on Jan 4, 2024 23:21:08 GMT
Hello guys ! I'm wondering why you are struggling at this point I will simplify the retrofit as i did it before for many Golf 8 All you need is : Wiring done with touch handle and 2 big antennas and all with Kessy modul B7 Replace Kessy module Coding central electric 09 Dataset flash to Kessy module B7 Job done
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Post by kkpr3 on Jan 5, 2024 11:30:48 GMT
Hi! Apparently you are making it even too simple haha Dataset flash is needed also on 09 to avoid static errors. Can you share the coding for the 09 you used? Thank you!
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Post by brkica on Jan 5, 2024 14:39:39 GMT
Hi crow, please share your coding for 09, it would be really appreciated. As for the B7, I currently have a dataset from a Golf 8 with a different VIN, so I have currently a version mismatch error in the 09. I've been struggling with the issue for a long time, could easiliy be that I overcoded something, even though I used several coding backups of vehicles with the feature as reference. I did go into the retrofitting hoping it would be as easy of a retrofit as in MK7's, sadly took way too much effort and energy.
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Post by brkica on Jan 5, 2024 16:52:44 GMT
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Post by kkpr3 on Jan 5, 2024 17:03:17 GMT
New update: IT WORKS! I flashed the whole datasets and coding on both 09 and B7. No errors so far. Finding the single pieces to manually set it up was too complicated and i had enough
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Post by brkica on Jan 5, 2024 18:10:44 GMT
Please share the VIN for the datasets you flashed. I have means of obtaining a vin specific dataset Also, did flashing 09 the dataset require key re-adaptation? What worries me is when you apply a other car coding to the unit, especially BCM, you change a lot of things (basically settings for every electrical component connected to the car). The key I guess would be to find a very similar car that has all your equipment + kessy entry from factory...
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Post by kkpr3 on Jan 5, 2024 22:00:39 GMT
I've sent you the VIN of one of the cars where it worked. Only thing to manually fix are the Licht Channels (in my case). They were completely different because the car is older. Just take a full backup of your adaptions. Oh, just to let know, it will be a hard time to work during the coding. Expect A LOT of warnings and cross your fingers! I didn't bother too much because i need to replace the BCM anyway with a newer version, so...
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Post by nitnesvakes on Feb 7, 2024 20:49:16 GMT
Hi i just ordered parts for keyless entry for my golf 8, but i dont find any wiring diagram or installation guide. Can anyone send the wiring diagram or tell the procedure of changing and coding. Thanks a lot!
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Post by brkica on Feb 9, 2024 14:52:11 GMT
Hi, for installation follow these steps: - Install door handles - will require almost complete door dissasembly and glass removal. Lay new cables taking care that there is sufficient clearance from the cable to the glass. Wire to door coupling points (wiring diagram attached) - Dissasemble the complete dashboard. Everything has to come out as the module is in the top left corner just bellow the windshield. - You have to wire 4 additional SIG wires (4-door kessy) or 2 (front door Kessy only) from the door handles (via door coupling point) to the kessy module (wiring diagram attached) - Flash fiwmware to the Kessy-IOmodule (from a VIN with Kessy from factory) - not possible with OBD11 - Upload Appropriate dataset to the Kessy-IOmodule (from a VIN with Kessy from factory) - not possible with OBD11 - Flash appropriate dataset to the Central electrics module (from a VIN with Kessy from factory, must be same VIN as for Kessy-IO module, otherwise you will have a VIN mismatch DTC in central electrics) - not possible with OBD11 - Code according to attached document or restore coding to "Passive_comfort" channels from a car with Kessy from factory (latter not possible with OBD11) - Readapt the 2 keys to the car - seems not to be mandatory, but a memory block on the Kessy module only gets written after the re-adaptation procedure, so it does something - ODIS online needed - After coding, close and lock the car (remove the key from the car's vicinity) and leave the bus to rest for 15-20 minutes. - In Central locking menu in the HMI you should now see new options for Advanced kessy - make sure they are on - You should have now full kessy functionality- the car should unlock while approaching and you should be able to lock and unlock it just by touching the door handles while the key is near. NOTE: - Automatic unlock while approaching works, but is not very consistent - the key must be unobstructed (i.e not in pocket, purse, backpack) - Automatic walk-away locking does not work or is terribly inconsitent - reccomended not to code it - 4-door kessy does not work, MK8 only supports front door Kessy as it came out from factory like this. That is why you won't find wiring for the rear handles in the MK8 wiring diagrams. You can wire the rear doors according to Octavia IV wiring diagrams, but even after coding it, the Kessy module does not recognize the sensors in the rear handle (seems to be a limitation of the firmware/dataset). I am currently investigating how to enable rear door Kessy functionality as well, if even possible. Will post an update if I find a solution. Files: Kessy_coding.txt (8.43 KB) Kessy_wiring_1of2.pdf (1002.82 KB) Kessy_wiring_2of2.pdf (984.25 KB) Hope this helps! Best, A
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Post by samiultahir on Mar 5, 2024 2:52:32 GMT
Hey guys, really fascinated by your retrofits for kessy. I saw one of you mentioned it being simpler on a mk7…
Could you please lead me in the right direction? i’m planning on buying one of the kessy kits from aliexpress for my mk7.5 GTE but not too familiar with a retrofit thats supposedly complicated.
If it makes things easier, i’m probably going to end up coding out the automatic unlocking stuff for security purposes (or just get a ghost fitted if i can get it to working in the first place), but keep the start/stop functionality instead of having to twist my key. Is this procedure simpler and how could I go about doing this?
Would appreciate any help i can get, you guys seem to know your stuff!
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Post by wamba16 on Jul 8, 2024 10:05:51 GMT
can someone share the dataset files of module B7 and 09
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