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Post by lidaize on Jun 22, 2023 10:05:58 GMT
Hi guys, just share my good fk-up experience with obdeleven start/stop deactivation one click app with my 2018 mk7.5 GTI, in case if someone have same issue like me. I used the start/stop deactivation one click app few days ago, and i would like to restore it back to stock normal, however restore the one click app never helps (car button and dashboard shows start/stop activated, but the function still deactivated). I did a bit google and some ppl said change the voltage to 7.6 and MAX/MIN operation temperature to -50C, which are: Gateway 19Start/stop astart voltage limit ->7.6V
EM start stop requirement ambient temperature -> Minimum ->-50C
EM start stop requirement ambient temperature -> Maximum ->-50CI also comfirm my Engine (control unit 01) 's Activation of start-stop function is Active.After these change, Start/Stop still NOT working. Then I found there is a channel call Deactivation of Start-stop function in Gateway19. I tried different options, and only Stop release option works, it bring my start/stop back. Anybody knows if Stop release is the stock default setting for this channel?
If that's the default setting then what does others option do?
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Post by vwjap on Jun 22, 2023 14:06:16 GMT
From my original backup mines on mode not active
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Post by lidaize on Jun 22, 2023 14:59:45 GMT
That was strange, I will give it a try tomorrow with mode not active again.
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Post by vwjap on Jun 22, 2023 15:26:58 GMT
If you look in history, and look back to the date you first put it on it may show what coding was changed (although mostly it will just say something like app used)
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Post by lidaize on Jun 22, 2023 15:55:59 GMT
yeah, but the one click app don't show what channel did changed.
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Post by vwjap on Jun 22, 2023 18:50:43 GMT
Shame, some do, but voltas don’t let anyone know how there apps work
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Post by whataboutthis on Jun 22, 2023 21:02:56 GMT
Agreed they dont tell us but sometimes the code is provided in the one click app request section otherwise backup before and after the one click app and you can easily work out what changed.
Obviously to late now but for future reference, the only caveat is if the app does stuff like eeprom or basic settings then that is hidden but for stop start I dont that that is the case.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jun 22, 2023 22:42:54 GMT
lidaize : hmm....... first - I echo the sentiments for the other respondents to your post -One Click Apps (OCAs) are "not-all-beer-and-skittles". Yes, OCAs do have their advantages - but most folk that use OCAs are deluded by the belief that the ONLY disadvantage is the cost of the credits - THIS IS WRONG THINKING IMHO, the advice that should be plastered in big bold letters on the opening screen of ALL OCAs should be "DON'T use this App unless you are prepared to accept the risk of no change records if implementation goes pear-shape"! Of course, such a warning will NEVER happen! Don't get me wrong - I've absolutely no doubt that the code-cutters on the VOLTAS mother-ship do their best to ensure that OCAs only implement under the correct conditions. However, it's simply impossible for these deities to anticipate every eventuality (particularly when users implement multiple OCAs that can "interfere" with one another)!! This is why those of us that have been doing this stuff for many years avoid using OCAs - it's far better to make the effort to do these changes manually!! . Anybody knows if Stop release is the stock default setting for this channel?
If that's the default setting then what does others option do?
The answer to your question is that according to my MQB platform database (which of course is limited) -for those cars that have SS activated as a factory setting, the default value for the channel Deactivation of start-stop function in the hex19 module is Mode not active. Note: this channel also appears in the hex08 module and the default setting is similarly not active!
Now - whilst this setting might appear to be contradictory - there are lots and lots of other examples of like apparent contradictions peppered throughout ALL modules.
As to why these apparent contradictions exist in modules - I don't know! Maybe they are the result of the way that early versions of these vehicle facilities were implemented - meaning that the current generation firmware/physical equipment no longer use these software switches! (i.e. these channels may be a relic of a now obsolete solution? Or, these channels may be intended for a special purpose - like testing? Again, I don't know!!
Don
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Post by lidaize on Jun 23, 2023 12:25:06 GMT
Agree with you. At least obdeleven should record the details and let us know what channel did the one click app changed,
I bought the ultimate pack because of the unlimited OCA, however I'm very disappointed now, it's better to have a pro version.
Anyway just UPDATED About Deactivation of Start-stop function in Gateway19 , I start my car today, and suprised that my STOP RELEASE selection automatically changed to Mode not active. No idea why I directly set it to Mode not active not working yesterday. Maybe some self debugging happend in my car? or Bumblebees invaded my car and fix it for me?
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Post by vwjap on Jun 23, 2023 13:36:29 GMT
I sorted it out telepathically 😉
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jun 23, 2023 20:22:07 GMT
vwjap : I have always secretly suspected that you had super-powers - now I know it's true!!  Does your telepathy extend to predicting the Lotto numbers? If so, PM please. I only want to win 2nd prize - first prize is too much money for me! Don
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Post by vwjap on Jun 23, 2023 20:26:07 GMT
PM’d 😂
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Post by whataboutthis on Jun 23, 2023 22:03:33 GMT
Back in the day when you used to use a one click app you used to see the long coding changes and the one click app use in history.
This caused so much confusion to the simple user community that the management decided to remove the long coding from being shown
They obviously don't want to show you what coding they have used otherwise people would not pay for the apps and they would loose even more profit than they have already due to price increases and SFD Cost's.
As I said earlier if you set yourself up you can easily deduce what Adaptations and long coding have been used on a one click app by simply taking backup before and after
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jun 24, 2023 22:57:23 GMT
Back in the day when you used to use a one click app you used to see the long coding changes and the one click app use in history. This caused so much confusion to the simple user community that the management decided to remove the long coding from being shown whataboutthis : hmm.............with absolutely no offense intended - Yes, I well remember the "back in the day" approach and I also recall the very-strange reasoning for abandoning the then solution.
However, regardless of our different views on this matter, I hope that we can both agree that this early attempt delivered a clear message of acknowledgement by VOLTAS that there was a fundamental problem with the manner in which OCAs was being implemented. THAT PROBLEM STILL PERSISTS- alas!!
IMHO of course -the corporate decision to deal with the apparent confusion that you identify by entirely ignoring the underlying problem was at best "interesting" (and it was at worst bizarre)!! Again IMO, the proper approach should have been to deal with the confusion by clarifying the reason for history records - adding more explanatory text to the records would not have been that difficult!!
They obviously don't want to show you what coding they have used otherwise people would not pay for the apps and they would loose even more profit than they have already due to price increases and SFD Cost's. Again with no offense intended (and once more, IMO)............. not really!!! As I'm sure we will both agree, there is very little actual VOLTAS IP in the module coding part of OCA's. At least for most OCAs (and probably for ALL), it's not difficult with a few simple Google searches to reveal the tweak instructions, which are replicated with alacrity on every other forum
As for your other point, of course I'm not privy to what motivates OCA usage - but I would think that the major attraction for these products is ease-of-use. The principal market for OCAs is those users that want to remain "uninformed" - which doesn't mean that these users are not intelligent! These users don't see value in learning how to manually code modules (again, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with this approach - it's simply a different personal priority). I very much doubt that the vast majority of these users would bother educating themselves in manual coding techniques and then have the confidence to manually implement tweaks
And, even if these users do become proficient in manual coding -they can't thieve the OCA instructions in their History files unless they first actually implement the Apps!!
So, I'm NOT convinced that there was a commercial rate-of-return for the shareholder from VOLTAS's odd decision to entirely ignore the OCA problem!
As I said earlier if you set yourself up you can easily deduce what Adaptations and long coding have been used on a one click app by simply taking backup before and after
Arrhh........... on this point we agree!!
BUT (and there is always a "but"), your alternative to the provision of history records for OCAs conflicts with the fundamentals of the market for OCAs. Again, this market is made-up of those that want ease-of-use. These users want to get IN/OUT quickly with the minimum of fuss - and they are prepared to pay the price for this convenience! They don't want to be bothered with the complexity of first creating back-up files - assuming they are aware of this prior requirement (I wonder how many OCA users even know about this protection mechanism).
And, even if these users do create back-up files before implementing changes - how many of these "uninformed" users will understand how to unravel the information in these files - which can contain a channel-count in excess of 1,500 in some modules (particularly given the other bizarre decision of OBD11 to arrange the data in a non-flat format)?
Finally, please note that I'm not criticizing your position - my response is intended to provide a different view
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Post by whataboutthis on Jun 25, 2023 0:11:23 GMT
no offense taken and don't think we disagree on this.
I am only pointing out that Voltas made a change from the old days - it did stop a lot of noise for support i suspect but agree communication of this could have been done better/differently but you only have to look at the SFD issue to appreciate they don't understand how to communicate.
Again the average OCA User wont be bothered or interested in backups but to the point that was raised users can easily do the investigation to see exactly what the OCA Changed and in this case reversed if they have the mind set
This OCA Model has been rolled out to the BMW App and so far no sign that coding will be supported so it feels like this is the new business model and personally i don't see any improvements on the VAG Support to fix the large backlog of issues and bugs so am guessing they are still working on changing android app to look like ios and next car company the will support (No info to confirm just my view)
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Post by vwjap on Jun 25, 2023 6:44:54 GMT
Reverse engineering apps isn’t as simple as looking through the data tho, you gotta remember that changing a setting on the mib can change the long coding or adaptions in some cases,
Plus if apps are giving problems then sometimes the apps are different from manual coding that don’t
Even the backups can bring errors
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Post by whataboutthis on Jun 25, 2023 7:41:55 GMT
Agreed and it don't show if EEPROM has been used or if Basic Settings or Resets have been run but for a lot of cases it will show what has been done.
I have personally used this method a number of times to check out what is going on.
We all agree that you should do all coding manually but this method still helps in the vast majority of cases
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Post by chrispie on Jul 22, 2023 20:05:00 GMT
Agree with you. At least obdeleven should record the details and let us know what channel did the one click app changed, I bought the ultimate pack because of the unlimited OCA, however I'm very disappointed now, it's better to have a pro version. Anyway just UPDATED About Deactivation of Start-stop function in Gateway19 , I start my car today, and suprised that my STOP RELEASE selection automatically changed to Mode not active. No idea why I directly set it to Mode not active not working yesterday. Maybe some self debugging happend in my car? or Bumblebees invaded my car and fix it for me?After years of detesting the start / stop function in several consequent VAG vehicles, the possibility to turn it off permanently presented itsself with OBD Eleven. Guess what... Once gone, I was starting to miss it, or was I just missing the option of choice? So I wanted to turn it back on and also didn't get it back to working properly, except after a long drive of 100Km+ it startet to work again. After endless search in the programming history and inspiration from various forums, the real culpit came to light. I have a dashcam permanently connected to12v (KL30) and cuttin off at <12.2 volts, so the first suspicion was, due to battery draining, the start / stop never reaching its minimum voltage threshold. Eventually it turned out that the (original) start / stop battery was almost worn out. The car itself should have indicated this in the display, were it not for the nice 2nd hand seller who had recoded the original battery as not original, so that this wear message never showed. My 2018 Golf 1.5 came factory equipped with a [J0S] 320 A (59 Ah) battery while my wife's 2015 3-cylinder 1.0 Golf came equipped with a [J0T] 360 A (69 Ah) battery  Fortunately, I was able to get hold of a new, original 360 A (69 Ah) battery on discount, resulting in.... guess what: all start / stop problems disappeared like snow in the sun. Knowing this, the start/stop function is starting to bug me again and I'm considering disabling it.  |
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Post by vwjap on Jul 23, 2023 7:19:27 GMT
Get a memory module from ali express
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