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Post by tos on Mar 17, 2023 16:05:48 GMT
This is missing also on my car
DevCod_Nutzerkonfigurationen
- HMIMenue Aktivierung Nah Mittel Fern aktiv →>→>→> active
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Post by newty on Mar 17, 2023 17:38:29 GMT
Thank you, platterfoot
But what about Safelock? ;-)
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Post by platterfoot on Mar 17, 2023 17:49:29 GMT
To clarify, car is off, doors are locked? Just wanna get the conditions right before I get you an answer on this. 🙂
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Post by newty on Mar 17, 2023 18:40:11 GMT
By default, you can use the inner door handle to open even when the car is locked.
With Safelock the handles are getting unhinged when locking, so you cannot open the door from inside when closed by the key. This prevents the attempt to put a wire through the fitting and open the door with the inner handle. Fiddly, but a common, silent approach
You can either try it or just look it up in the door controllers: lock_without_safe_motor is active for cars without safe
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Post by platterfoot on Mar 17, 2023 22:10:48 GMT
I have a US spec autobahn. Doing this sets off the car alarm
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Post by newty on Mar 18, 2023 8:58:51 GMT
Yep. But can you open the door? Maybe you have to pull twice. You should be able to do the following without disturbing your neighbors to check:
Open passenger door (When any door is open, the alarm should not turn on)
Lock vehicle.
Reach in the back to open any rear passenger door. When you can not open it, you have safelock.
Safe can lock you inside with the alarm going off. That is why I think that walk away locking and safe are not a best practice combo.
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Post by whatispro on Mar 18, 2023 13:30:09 GMT
Can you please post Software Versions of 09 and B7 where this worked? Also I am curious if you are having Safelock (Interior door handles are disabled when the car is locked, typically bundled with alarm in countries where it is allowed). Besides that HMIMenue Aktivierung which is not avaliable in my car, that was my coding for testing and it did not work. 5WA937086F 0159 5WA959436C 0706 With Safelock |
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Post by platterfoot on Mar 18, 2023 14:17:24 GMT
Yep. But can you open the door? Maybe you have to pull twice. You should be able to do the following without disturbing your neighbors to check: Open passenger door (When any door is open, the alarm should not turn on) Lock vehicle. Reach in the back to open any rear passenger door. When you can not open it, you have safelock. Safe can lock you inside with the alarm going off. That is why I think that walk away locking and safe are not a best practice combo. I did it with the drivers door. I took my other car to work so I’ll try when I get home |
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Post by f0874 on Apr 2, 2023 0:52:56 GMT
It is not work on SK Octavia NX (2023)
B7 module software 725
09 module software 177
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Post by markonie on Apr 7, 2023 21:32:14 GMT
To make it work you need the appropriate door handle. See the video here.
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Post by newty on Apr 8, 2023 7:33:14 GMT
Video shows factory standard functions and no walk away locking.
Having Keyless Access and capacitive door handles is mandatory for all keyless access functions. They show:
Walk on unlocking
Handle unlocking
Handle locking
Relock after 30 seconds when neither doors or trunk have been opened after an unlock command (As soon as any door has been opened, the car does not lock automatically).
Thats all stock, so no new or relevant information inside
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Post by kkpr3 on Oct 11, 2023 18:03:05 GMT
Hi! Since i am already working on the Kessy retrofit (almost done), I am also sorting this thing out. It seems to work only with an extremely limited group of BCM modules between 2022 and 2023. And on cars with the latest BB or BM revision it does not work. Anyway, software must be 0175 ... 0180 for 09 and 0725 (which is the latest) for the B7. I already bought what I suspect is a good BCM. But the replacement is not so simple: 1) I need to understand if the gateway will be happy about it, without any upgrade (i am already to 7312 but who knows if something changed with the latest hardware revisions). 2) It might take several attempts to find the correct dataset... 3) Hardest part then, is to find a matching dataset for the B7 (i already opened a topic about this problem, but no luck up to now) This 2023 upgrade on a 2020 will take some time. But I'll try keep you posted. Wish me luck!  |
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Post by aaaaplay on Mar 20, 2024 8:24:07 GMT
This is missing also on my car DevCod_Nutzerkonfigurationen - HMIMenue Aktivierung Nah Mittel Fern aktiv →>→>→> active I missing this but I do have these two settings: DevCod Dienste Byte1 - ErkennungFahrzeug Verlassen aktiv - not activated Which google translates as Detection Vehicle Leaving Active. |
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Post by blink on Mar 20, 2024 19:35:01 GMT
There are some settings need to be changed in 7B as well
Passive_Komfort
Passive Komfort Oeffnen aktiv ----> activated
Passive Komfort Togglen aktiv ----> activated
DevCod_AutomatischeFunktionen
Slowpolling Rechtecksignal Aktiv ----> activated
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Post by djmartzian on Mar 21, 2024 10:23:17 GMT
There are some settings need to be changed in 7B as well Passive_Komfort Passive Komfort Oeffnen aktiv ----> activated Passive Komfort Togglen aktiv ----> activated DevCod_AutomatischeFunktionen Slowpolling Rechtecksignal Aktiv ----> activated Hello blink , Can you also list here the software version on your B7(Keyless) and 09(Central Electric) modules? I would like to enable this feature on my SK Mk4(2022). Thank you |
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Post by djmartzian on Mar 25, 2024 16:10:41 GMT
Tested ^^ coding but with no luck on SK Mk4(2022)
CU:09 SW:0175
CU:B7 SW:0725
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Post by paneuropean on Mar 27, 2024 7:53:28 GMT
So yes it’s possible. Is it worth it? Absolutely not. It’s super inconsistent on these cars. I think it works maybe 1/3 of the time. I think that the above comment from mintfotog is significant and needs to be considered carefully by anyone thinking about trying to enable this "lock when you walk away" feature. Having the car unlock when you walk up to it (the opposite of what this thread is about) is a nice feature, it's useful - especially at night - and there's nothing that can go wrong if for some reason the car doesn't recognize you approaching. All you have to do if the car does not recognize your approach is touch the door handle to unlock the car. You will be putting your hand on the door handle anyway to open the door, so there's no inconvenience associated with any failure to unlock when you approach. On the other hand, relying on the car to automatically lock itself when you walk away has some considerable risks associated with it. If the car doesn't detect you leaving and doesn't lock, now you have walked away and left your car unattended & unlocked. The only way to be sure the car has locked is to watch it as you walk away, and that's far more time-consuming than just closing the door and pressing the touch-spot on the door handle. After all, you've already got your hand on the door handle to close the door, it's not a big reach to then touch the spot on the handle that locks the car. This whole issue illustrates the difference between "features" vs. "benefits". You can put a third handle on a chamberpot, that's a feature, but it sure as heck doesn't offer much benefit. To me, this "lock when you walk away" capability falls in the same category. Michael |
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Post by battal on Apr 9, 2024 2:23:09 GMT
Hello friends, can you collect and share the codes that will run the application? Thanks.
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Post by amwyyid on Apr 24, 2024 6:46:23 GMT
How to enable auto lock with keyless when you leave the car without the key？
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Post by paneuropean on Jul 3, 2024 16:55:42 GMT
With Safelock the handles are getting unhinged when locking, so you cannot open the door from inside when closed by the key. This prevents the attempt to put a wire through the fitting and open the door with the inner handle. I very strongly suspect that different door lock hardware is used on European vs. North American cars in order to provide the "Safe" locking function (the function that disables the interior door handle when the doors are locked). I know this was the case with other VW models in past years. "Safe" locking is prohibited by FMVSS regulations in North America. I very much doubt that it can be enabled via software on a North American car. I also suspect that tweaking software to try to enable the "Safe" mode on a North American car will have unwanted and undesirable consequences, as others have hinted at in the discussion above. |
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jul 4, 2024 4:53:15 GMT
"Michael: Hi. Yes, you are correct - on the central locking unit for cars that have SAFELOCK - there is an addition motor (and an additional switch that signals when the deadlock function has engaged) - see wiring diagram below:
So cars without SAFELOCK are missing V161!
However, in regard to your suspicion about SAFELOCK being a "European vs. North American", I can't find any mention in the NAR wiring diagrams limiting V161 to just European cars - which is real-odd because like you, it was my understanding that "Yankee" cars don't have SAFELOCK!
Maybe I'm missing the bleeding obvious - perhaps you could look through your NAR wiring diagrams (search for "V161") and tell me where I have erred?
Don
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Post by blizzard60 on Jul 5, 2024 5:37:14 GMT
"Michael: Hi. Yes, you are correct - on the central locking unit for cars that have SAFELOCK - there is an addition motor (and an additional switch that signals when the deadlock function has engaged) - see wiring diagram below:
So cars without SAFELOCK are missing V161!
However, in regard to your suspicion about SAFELOCK being a "European vs. North American", I can't find any mention in the NAR wiring diagrams limiting V161 to just European cars - which is real-odd because like you, it was my understanding that "Yankee" cars don't have SAFELOCK!
Maybe I'm missing the bleeding obvious - perhaps you could look through your NAR wiring diagrams (search for "V161") and tell me where I have erred?
Don Wiring diagrams are the same if the car is built in the same factory, there is nothing "NAR" about our wiring diagrams, haha. Normally they would have an asterisk and say "not for USA" or something, but in this case, the asterisk is only to say LHD. I'm guessing the wiring diagram is incorrect. In ETKA the door wiring harness is listed with the safe lock (or no safe lock) PRs clearly listed. Here's the wiring diagram for my VIN, which definitely does not have SAFELOCK in Canada (and is the same diagram as what you've posted):  However, here's the door lock unit part number for my car:  VS the part for a EURO car that has safe lock.  My car's PR for this is 4K7:  ![]() |
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Post by paneuropean on Jul 5, 2024 20:33:07 GMT
Hi blizzard60 , dv52 (Australia) : I think both of you are correct in your assessment of the wiring diagram. It is likely that the North American Region (NAR) vehicles have provisions in the wiring harness for the physical wires needed to support SAFE, and within the associated controller for the logic & control needed to support SAFE, but as you have noted, the lock assembly itself does not contain the additional motor. I don't think this is an error per se in the wiring diagram. I think VW just didn't bother to put a note on the wiring diagram saying "not applicable to NAR" because this is common knowledge to VW techs. SAFE locking has been around for 20+ years and has never been provided on NAR cars due to the regulations in NAR prohibiting this kind of functionality. The various VW Self-Study guides that have been published over the years typically note that SAFE is not provided on NAR cars. Michael |
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jul 5, 2024 22:01:07 GMT
Micheal: Thanks for researching my question!
Maybe you are correct about VW "not bothering" to include the "not for US" note on V161 and as we will both agree- VW wiring diagrams are replete with countless more important errors.
However, the restriction-note "not for US" is added to lots of pages in the VW wiring diagrams. So my hunch (wild guess) is that the "not bothering" explanation might not be correct (no offense intended to your hypothesis)!
Again, without intending offense - I suspect the reason for the omission lies elsewhere (I have no idea where!) - perhaps the answer is up there with the unanswerable question about the meaning of life (which isn't 42)?
Don
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Post by blizzard60 on Jul 6, 2024 1:30:26 GMT
Micheal: Thanks for researching my question!
Maybe you are correct about VW "not bothering" to include the "not for US" note on V161 and as we will both agree- VW wiring diagrams are replete with countless more important errors.
However, the restriction-note "not for US" is added to lots of pages in the VW wiring diagrams. So my hunch (wild guess) is that the "not bothering" explanation might not be correct (no offense intended to your hypothesis)!
Again, without intending offense - I suspect the reason for the omission lies elsewhere (I have no idea where!) - perhaps the answer is up there with the unanswerable question about the meaning of life (which isn't 42)?
Don
I'm with Don on this one, lol. There are a lot of errors in the MK8 wiring diagrams. I really don't think they made much (any) effort to "NAR-ify" the diagrams that are the same. The other thing that I disagree on is that techs "should know" that something doesn't apply in a diagram. The amount of techs that have retired or left the industry in the last 5 years is staggering. In my area dealers and even technical schools are constantly advertising they are in dire needs of techs. I think there's a lot of techs that are new to the brand that would have no idea about some of the nuances of the VAG brands' wiring and features and whatnot. But to Don's point, we are wading into the meaning of life territory and taking this thread WAY off topic, LOL. For that, I apologize!! |
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