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Post by submarine5000 on Dec 16, 2022 17:39:06 GMT
Hello,
I have been using OBDEleven for a while, I used it first back in 2015 on our 2014 VW Polo, and used the Control unit 19 adaption to disable the stop start, it worked perfectly.
We have now sold this car, and now have a 2022 VW Polo.
From my research I believe the Control unit 19 way has now been disabled.
Currently I only still have the older first Gen unit, which I use with an old Android phone.
My main phone is Apple and the old first gen unit obviously doesn't work with the first gen device, so I need to upgrade to the Next Gen device.
What I would like clarification on is which Device I should buy to use the "One Click app" to disable the start stop.
I still have 70 credits on ODBEleven my account, so presume I can still use them, if needed?
Second question, the Car didn't come with Nav, but when you press the Nav button it takes to you the "VW Shop" am I able to unlock this feature with the Next Gen Device?
Third question, will either of the above affect the warranty, will VW will be able to see this, as the car is connected them ?
Many thanks.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Dec 16, 2022 20:13:19 GMT
submarine5000 : Hi. I provide responses to your 3 x questions below for your consideration: Question 1: VW's tightening of the ability to disable Start Stop (SS) has nothing to do with OBD11 gen-1; it's apparently a matter relating to the the fundamental design of newer MQB-evo platform cars! So buying a next-gen dongle ain't going to fix this problem (alas)!
I'm not familiar with the specific design of your new Piolo - but assuming that it isn't equipped with capacitor-type "gesture switches", the only way to defeat SS on these cars is to install a physical auto-SS-kill-switch across the native SS disablement button. You can source these switches on the net!
Question 2: Features like SATNAV are what is known as "Software A Product" (SWAP) - which means that to enable the function, a special license is needed that is tailored to the car's VIN. I'm not quite sure how SWAP authorizations work for cellular-networks on MQB-evo platform cars, but it isn't something where OBD11 will help AFAIK. Question 3: Read THIS synopsis by Thirsty regarding how OBD11 manages SFD protection on cars like your new Polo. As you will read - there is data that can be accessed by VW if stuff looks suspicious!!
BUT this is OK because anyone making changes to their car should be responsible (and they should be accountable) for the modifications that they make! The data that is saved by OBD11 when disabling SFD on these newer VW/Audi/..... cars simply reinforces the fundamental notion that there is ONLY ONE person that will be held liable by VW for modifying the car's factory coding .
Or, said bluntly (and with absolutely no offense intended) - OBD11's special arrangement with the VAG parent-company for disabling SFD protection on these newer cars doesn't provide a "get-out-of-jail-free" card for user made changes!!
Don
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Post by submarine5000 on Dec 16, 2022 20:18:54 GMT
Thanks very much.
Just to confirm, I will not be able to turn the start stop off with a next gen dongle on a 2022 VW Polo?
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Dec 16, 2022 20:52:55 GMT
YES - that's correct!!
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Post by submarine5000 on Dec 16, 2022 22:01:07 GMT
So any idea how I could do it?
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Dec 16, 2022 23:23:39 GMT
As I have already said - the answer is a non-coding solution; meaning that you need to mimic the Polo designed mechanism for turning off the SS function. The Polo designed mechanism will be the native SS button that's somewhere inside the cabin (not sure where the SS button is located on a MY22 Polo).
The way that the solution works is by installing a device that replicates the contact status on the SS button (which is how the driver turns-OFF the SS facility). The device operates automatically just after the driver turns-on the car's ignition - effectively replicating the driver pushing the SS button So, the way forward is physical, rather than being a coding solution. I've designed and installed my own version of an auto-SS-kill-switch for early model MQB platform cars HERE - but this device has been superseded by much newer and more elegant units in the intervening decade since my first efforts!!
Again as I have already indicated - the "physical" solution relies on the native SS button being a set of actual physical contacts. In those cars where the SS button uses capacitor based switching (i.e. so-called "gesture" switching), even this solution won't work!!
I'm not recommending any particular manufacturer of an auto-SS-kill-switch - but you should find lots of these on the popular "Chinese" sale sites (if they are available for your new model car)
Don
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Post by submarine5000 on Dec 18, 2022 12:28:03 GMT
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Dec 18, 2022 20:10:50 GMT
Looks good if the "Polo mk6" is the same as "Polo mk6 FL" (I'm not sure)!!
To be clear - my advice in my previous responses is predicated on the assumption that the "Voltage method" for disabling SS is not available on a Polo mk6 FL.
I accepted this assumption because of your question about SFD protection for this car - but I wonder (now) if my assumption is correct? Are you sure that your new car has SFD protection? Why not fire-up your GEN 1 OBD device and confirm this assumption? See if you can access the hex19 module in the new car with your old Android phone
Don
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Post by submarine5000 on Dec 18, 2022 21:19:17 GMT
I checked and that harness only fits 2020 models. So back to square one
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Post by submarine5000 on Dec 19, 2022 9:22:08 GMT
I guess it's worth a try with the old module, but I swear I saw somewhere on this forum, that this method was stopped by VW.
In fact, I read that one method was to put the wire to a sensor, that was one way.
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Post by submarine5000 on Dec 19, 2022 14:49:33 GMT
OBDeleven support case back to me and said;
“Currently, it is not possible to turn this function [stop start] off on 2020 and newer vehicles, but our engineers are looking for solutions.”
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Post by submarine5000 on Dec 20, 2022 10:58:13 GMT
OBDeleven support case back to me and said;
“Currently, it is not possible to turn this function [stop start] off on 2020 and newer vehicles, but our engineers are looking for solutions.”
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