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Post by sandertsi on Oct 9, 2022 12:43:07 GMT
Hi, I’ve got a 2019 mk7.5 bluemotion Golf 131 bhp. Only thing I dislike on it is the sailing where it just goes freewheeling with the engine off. On another forum I’ve got a very friendly and helpful reply with which bits and bytes to change to turn off this sailing mode. But these instructions are on VCDS. Friendly post on VCDSMy OBDeleven will arrive somewhere this week, would any of you care to show where to find below VCDS settings in the OBD app with some screengrabs? Is this in adaptation or long coding? I’ve gotten the Pro so that should allow me to change stuff. |
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Post by vwjap on Oct 9, 2022 12:45:48 GMT
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Post by sandertsi on Oct 9, 2022 13:36:57 GMT
Thanks for the screenshots vwjap! Looks easy enough to do even for a learner and reassuring to have around as reference.
Is this toggle also available under adaptations? Noticed it on a Seat video where it was called just 'sailing'
As I understand now adaptations lets you switch predefined and commonly used code changes and long coding is the raw DIY version of that. Is that accurate?
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Post by vwjap on Oct 9, 2022 14:16:18 GMT
Long coding is like a on/off switch but some options use more than 1 switch Adaptions are like options you can set, like 1 to 50 kinda thing imagine long coding are a on/off switch and adaptions are a rotory switch  [/url I don’t think sailing is in adaptions BUT in long coding you have 3 different ways of seeing the options, first screen has discriptions (and can change all the switches needed to select that option Second screen I think is grouped so all the options that are same like are together Third screen is like raw data from the module But sailing is in the first screen  |
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Post by vwjap on Oct 9, 2022 14:52:18 GMT
Now android actually has the discriptions in the long coding screen and actually shows which switches are used together to enable the option, here’s sailing in long coding  |
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Post by whataboutthis on Oct 9, 2022 15:43:03 GMT
sandertsi just to explain whilst all the cars are on MQB Platform they are on different versions. In the Cupra Formentor 2022 (MQB Evo) there is a Sailing Function in both Long Coding and Adaptation (but this is not your motor) under control unit 13 Long coding under Byte 3 bit 2/3 (Sailing Function) has Deactivated, Non-Predictive sailing, Predictive Sailing and Sailing. in adaptation it shows under Sail function (38e9) Activate and Deactivating.
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Post by sandertsi on Oct 9, 2022 16:20:44 GMT
You have been extremely helpful, it's so much clearer now. Can't wait for my unit to arrive and get going.
I'm on Android so nice to have a bit more descriptive overview where to go. Although I have the values memorized since Don posted them haha. That's how bad I wanna get rid of that sailing function. Anyone on here who even likes that?
I'll post here how it went when my unit arrives. Enjoy the short bit of weekend left and thanks again 🙏
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Post by sandertsi on Oct 11, 2022 16:35:52 GMT
Hi, Just got my device and started work right away. Bit of a shocker, bit 6 was already ticked and 7 unticked. Described as no_predictive_sailing. Tried unticking both and unfortunately the sailing behaviour remained. Reversing 6&7 would be predictive_sailing and both ticked just sailing. Non had any effect on the freewheeling and engine off as soon as operating temps were reached. Could I have missed something?   |
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Post by vwjap on Oct 11, 2022 17:07:03 GMT
Didn’t think it was in the acc module
Have a look in gateway (19) and check if these 2 items are disabled (it for a gte)
FPA_Funktion_Freilauf_DefaultON
FPA_Funktion_Freilauf
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Post by sandertsi on Oct 11, 2022 18:03:14 GMT
Took a look at the gateway before posting and default on was disabled. Freilauf itself was enabled. After disabling, one spin round the block, still the same. D without gear, engine either idling or shutoff  Or should I have had Engine running during coding of ACC? |
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Post by sandertsi on Oct 11, 2022 19:58:15 GMT
Looking furthermore into disabling start stop, thus disabling at least the engine turning off during sailing, I found below in #19 - gateway. Byte 3, and in particular byte 4 looks interesting. Anyone has experience with these settings?   |
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Post by vwjap on Oct 12, 2022 10:09:53 GMT
Does it “sail” at higher speeds or does it only do it at low speeds coming to a stop?
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Post by sandertsi on Oct 12, 2022 11:06:56 GMT
Regarding the sailing, below 40km/h it will freewheel (DSG disconnected) with enginge idling and ready to connect to gear again.
Between 40-130 km/h the engine off sailing occurs. Gently letting go off the trottle will disconnnect the DSG (D icon only instead of D6/7) and turns off the engine. It will keep sailing like this till a complete stop.
Engine will only restart when trottle is applied OR the left hand shift paddle behind the wheel is used OR when using the brakes firmly (gently applying brakes doesn't count)
Putting the gearbox in S mode also is a way to avoid the sailing/ engine off sailing.
Yesterday night I disabled the start/stop system using the voltage method (from 7.8 to 12.1 V)
This had the pleasant side effect the engine now doesn't turn off anymore during the freewheel (D) sailing. So the high speed sailing above 40km/h at least behaves the same as low speed sailing with engine idle/standby.
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Post by sandertsi on Oct 13, 2022 20:02:17 GMT
Didn’t think it was in the acc module Have a look in gateway (19) and check if these 2 items are disabled (it for a gte) FPA_Funktion_Freilauf_DefaultON FPA_Funktion_Freilauf Revisiting the FPA part in the Gateway module 19. The _Frelauf didn't change behavior in disabled state. But could that be because on Byte 08 Bit 0 the FPA functions are disabled? I can imagine because that's disabled, any further changes to FPA specific items are disregarded since the main 'switch' is turned off. I thought I read a post by Don though about not touching this so a bit reluctant to just try it..   |
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Post by vwjap on Oct 13, 2022 20:44:09 GMT
Do you have the mode button in the Center console?
I do, and byte 8 bit 0 is ticked on mine, all the other options are the same (I don’t have sail)
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Post by sandertsi on Oct 13, 2022 21:18:15 GMT
Hi, Nope I don’t have a mode button. Just a start/stop system deactivate button left, and park assist right of the transmission lever. How are FPA_Funktion_Freilauf_DefaultON and FPA_Funktion_Freilauf configured in your car? Since yours doesn’t sail (lucky you  ) Just to make sure, you’re also on DSG trans? |
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Post by vwjap on Oct 14, 2022 7:25:25 GMT
I have DSG
Default on is not activated, and other one is activated
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Post by sandertsi on Oct 18, 2022 18:06:31 GMT
By the way, you mentioned your car doesn't sail. Does it go to D without number and decouples with engine stationary or just never decouples at all?
Since you have mode selector, it might only ocurr in Eco mode.
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Post by vwjap on Oct 18, 2022 18:29:55 GMT
Never use eco mode
Always D+gear
Only coasts to a stop ave very slow speeds
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Post by jafermo3 on Nov 16, 2022 8:09:20 GMT
Hi all, I just bought a Golf mk7.5 1.5 TSI evo Bluemotion (130CV) DSG (Same as sandertsi), I want also to disable the engine off when sailing. Can you help me with what I should do?
Sorry but I don't have much experience with coding and I wouldn't like it and playing things I don't understand
Thanks in advance,
Javi
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Post by jafermo3 on Nov 16, 2022 18:02:35 GMT
For people who come to this forum to solve the problem. You can eliminate the engine shutdown function using the one-click app by removing the start/stop function.
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Post by jram on Dec 3, 2022 11:56:08 GMT
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Post by sandertsi on Dec 14, 2022 18:05:51 GMT
Hi, What you did eventually is exactly the same as this thread; Disable the start-stop system from working. Either by: - Using the OBD11 app: Start/Stop System Deactivation V2
- Long coding it yourself with Pro version via long coding: Module 19/Gateway, Adaptations:: Start/stop start voltage limit => 12.1V
Both doing the same thing, the voltage method. Change the minimal charge threshold from 7.* V to 12.1 V, so the start stop thinks it's not allowed to operate. This keeps the sailing in place, but the engine will never turn off, standing still or driving. |
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Post by dni4ss on Apr 12, 2023 20:40:30 GMT
Hello,
Has anyone managed to deactivate the sailing / coasting mode in GOLF MK8 2021? I don't want to be forced to drive only in sport mode because of this very annoying function!
Thank you
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Post by funnylicenceplate on Jul 29, 2024 20:40:52 GMT
Hello Everyone, So do I have the same golf of sandertsi (7.5 TSI DSG 130cv with sailcoasting). Did anyone got to disable it? Today I have changed the minimal charge threshold, at least the car will never shut off at the cross just because! I have a technical question: may it be dangerous to the battery under the driver seat? There is a LI-Ion battery for the sailcoasting under that sit. I just don't want it to burn fire for any reason  Thank you so much! |
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