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Post by theories on Aug 8, 2022 19:26:05 GMT
So I did have a recent battery change, but each time I reset the oil change interval either through the 0.0 trip button or through resetting the ESI in OBDEleven the warning keeps popping up on my dashboard. Now my oil change interval is not at OEM interval. My interval is currently 8000 KM (5000 miles) for every oil change since I'm tuned and I'm a bit meticulous with that.
What I am wondering though is if there is a minimum value to trigger the oil change interval warning on the dashboard and if my new maximum value is clashing with the minimum value causing it to pop up. Before my interval warning would pop up at around 1500 km. I see the values on the adaptations list of the dashboard module. I'm just unsure which one to adjust to fix my issue and make this warning go away.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Aug 9, 2022 0:48:18 GMT
theories : Hi. Excellent question - thanks for asking!! My apology if you already know this stuff -but a MQB platform car (like your mk7) has the following 3 x options for the Service Reset Interval (SRI) facility: - SIE (Service Interval Extension)
- FIX
- SIA
Ignoring SIA for the moment, the first aspect to check is whether your car is set to FIX, or SIE. - FIX: as the name implies, this option uses the principle of setting the service interval based on the earlier of a preset time interval, or a preset distance traveled from the last service
- SIE: this option is based on a variable service interval that is calculated from the vehicle's actual conditions of use and from the driver's style of driving. Of course, to do this the car must be fitted with an enhanced set of transducers that measure the actual oil-wear - this data being necessary to feed the ESI calculation algorithm.
VW vehicles with SIE can be identified by the PR number “QG1“. The PR number is on the vehicle data carrier.
I'm not sure if your car has SIE capability - but even if it does, my assumption from your words is that you are using the FIX option. If so, it is probably prudent to confirm that the hex17 module (what OBD11 calls "Dashboard" module) has been told to use the group of parameters that are set in the FIX adaptation channels.
The software switch that determines which service mode to use is the adaptation channel - ESI: oil quality. If this channel is set to poor oil quality, the car will use the FIX option (note: "poor" doesn't mean that the oil quality is sub-standard) So, on your hex17 module and for the FIX option, the following adaptation channels apply: - FIX: Reset value for next mileage-dependent inspection
- FIX: Reset value for next time-dependent inspections
- FIX: Max. distance until next mileage-related inspection
- FIX: Maximum time until next time-dependent inspection
- FIX: Distance covered since last mileage-dependent inspection
- FIX: Time since last time-dependent inspection
I've deliberately organized the channels above in the order shown; 1-2 =RESET, 3-4 = MAX, 5-6 = current value - since last service
The rules for the FIX option are :
- Value 1-2 >= 3-4>=5-6.
- When resetting the SRI, 5-6=0
- ALL numbers are in kms (regardless of mile/km settings on instrument cluster)
Which leaves SIA option - this uses the following 2 x channels: - SIA: maximum value of distance to service
- SIA: maximum value of time to service
I'm not sure about SIA, but my hunch is that the values in these channels are the numbers that are substituted into 3-4 in my first list when the driver uses the manual SRI procedure that is described in the user-manual - maybe? I would welcome comments if anyone here knows how these channels are used!!!
Finally, the other important channel in the SRI suite is ESI: Resetting ESI. Notwithstanding reference to "ESI", this channel is used to reset the warning message on the instrument cluster. Change the value to no warning after correctly setting my first list of channels above to remove the SRI message
Don
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Post by theories on Aug 11, 2022 3:50:40 GMT
Hi, DV52
Thanks for your detailed explanation, I am a little confused. However I have all my channel adaptations and their values, so I'm hoping you can point me in the right direction for changing them so I can have the oil change warning pop up at 2000 KM again. I'm wondering if its the 5th FIX adaptation that I need to change, but I could be wrong. Also I have just tried to reset it again by using the trip button.
FIX Channel Adaptations 1. FIX: Reset value for next mileage-dependent inspection = 365 Days 2. FIX: Reset value for next time-dependent inspections = 30000 KM 3. FIX: Max. distance until next mileage-related inspection = 30000 KM 4. FIX: Maximum time until next time-dependent inspection = 365 Days 5. FIX: Distance covered since last mileage-dependent inspection = 8900 KM 6. FIX: Time since last time-dependent inspection = 37 Days
SIE Channel Adaptations 1. SIE: minimum value km-driving distance/inspection = 15000 KM 2. SIE: time from inspection = 2 Days 3. SIE: maximum value km-driving distance/inspection = 30000 KM 4. SIE: maximum value of time between inspections = 730 Days 5. SIE: distance driven from inspection = 44 KM 6. SIE: oil quality = Poor oil quality
SIA Channel Adaptations 1. SIA: maximum value of time to service = 180 Days 2. SIA: maximum value of distance to service = 8000 KM
WIV: Resetting ESI = Warning Active (Stays to this even after changing to No warning and Reset)
EDIT: I also changed FIX: Distance covered since last mileage-dependent inspection to 0 KM and FIX: Time since last time-dependent inspection 0 Days from your other post including resetting the ESI manually again to Reset option and the warning keeps popping up.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Aug 11, 2022 22:18:48 GMT
OK- try the settings shown below in the order written : First1. FIX: Reset value for next mileage-dependent inspection = 365 Days 2. FIX: Reset value for next time-dependent inspections = 20000 KM3. FIX: Max. distance until next mileage-related inspection = 20000 KM4. FIX: Maximum time until next time-dependent inspection = 365 Days 5. FIX: Distance covered since last mileage-dependent inspection = 0 KM6. FIX: Time since last time-dependent inspection = 0 DaysSecondWIV: Resetting ESI = Reset/No Warning
Don
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Post by theories on Aug 12, 2022 0:41:26 GMT
So I did your fix, but the oil change warning keeps coming up and the values only changed the max inspection interval in my service settings on the car and not the oil change minimum value. I have no clue what could be triggering it to come up all the time all of a sudden.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Aug 12, 2022 2:52:41 GMT
So I did your fix, but the oil change warning keeps coming up and the values only changed the max inspection interval in my service settings on the car and not the oil change minimum value. I have no clue what could be triggering it to come up all the time all of a sudden. What is "oil change minimum value"? The SIE channels don't apply if oil quality=poor oil quality
I have seen your problem on other hex17 modules - but, not often. Try setting as per my previous post but with the following change - FIX: Reset value for next time-dependent inspections = 720 d
And include this
- SIA: maximum value of distance to service = 20000 km
- SIA: maximum value of time to service = 365 d
Then: - WIV: Resetting ESI = Reset/No Warning
Don
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Post by theories on Aug 12, 2022 3:43:51 GMT
I say "oil change minimum value" because there must be a minimum value that needs to be crossed for the warning to pop up on the dashboard correct? It must coincide with a minimum value somewhere because I increased the SIA Maximum value of distance to service to 20000 KM and the warning went away. Then I change the value back to 8000 KM and the oil change service interval warning pops up again with " Oil Change in 8000 KM".
I made this post because the oil change interval in the cars settings has always been 8000 KM and I've never had a problem until I changed my oil "recently" and reset the oil change service via the 0.0 trip button. The only time the warning would pop up would be when I have 2000 KM left on the interval in the cars settings on the head unit.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Aug 12, 2022 23:15:51 GMT
hmm....... please don't take offense, but let's go back to basics - for the FIX service reminder system, there ain't any "minimum"!!
There are just 3 x parameters that apply: - Reset- this is the km/time number at which the service calculation automatically resets the value in 3 below (this doesn't reset the service warning)
- Maximum - this is the km/time number that initiates the service reminder warning (when the value in 3 below approaches this number)
- Km/time from last service - this is the number that increases from the last service (this number is continuously compared with 2 above)
The reason why the "cars settings has always been 8000 KM" is because the channel SIA: maximum value of distance to service had the value 8000. So every time that you went through the manual service reset process in the past, the number 8000 was put into the channel FIX: Max. distance until next mileage-related inspection.
Don
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Post by theories on Aug 13, 2022 0:28:11 GMT
No offence taken haha, its just weird to me that the oil change in “? KM” warning goes away when I change the SIA Maximum to 20000 KM and if I change it back to anything below 10000 KM it pops back up on the dashboard.
I seem to have it figured out and I guess I’ll just play around with some of the numbers to stop the warning from popping up.
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Post by fabbromix on Nov 20, 2022 17:12:30 GMT
My apology if you already know this stuff -but a MQB platform car (like your mk7) has the following 3 x options for the Service Reset Interval (SRI) facility: - SIE (Service Interval Extension)
- FIX
- SIA
Ignoring SIA for the moment, the first aspect to check is whether your car is set to FIX, or SIE. - FIX: as the name implies, this option uses the principle of setting the service interval based on the earlier of a preset time interval, or a preset distance traveled from the last service
- SIE: this option is based on a variable service interval that is calculated from the vehicle's actual conditions of use and from the driver's style of driving. Of course, to do this the car must be fitted with an enhanced set of transducers that measure the actual oil-wear - this data being necessary to feed the ESI calculation algorithm.
VW vehicles with SIE can be identified by the PR number “QG1“. The PR number is on the vehicle data carrier.
I'm not sure if your car has SIE capability - but even if it does, my assumption from your words is that you are using the FIX option. If so, it is probably prudent to confirm that the hex17 module (what OBD11 calls "Dashboard" module) has been told to use the group of parameters that are set in the FIX adaptation channels.
The software switch that determines which service mode to use is the adaptation channel - ESI: oil quality. If this channel is set to poor oil quality, the car will use the FIX option (note: "poor" doesn't mean that the oil quality is sub-standard) So, on your hex17 module and for the FIX option, the following adaptation channels apply: - FIX: Reset value for next mileage-dependent inspection
- FIX: Reset value for next time-dependent inspections
- FIX: Max. distance until next mileage-related inspection
- FIX: Maximum time until next time-dependent inspection
- FIX: Distance covered since last mileage-dependent inspection
- FIX: Time since last time-dependent inspection
I've deliberately organized the channels above in the order shown; 1-2 =RESET, 3-4 = MAX, 5-6 = current value - since last service
The rules for the FIX option are :
- Value 1-2 >= 3-4>=5-6.
- When resetting the SRI, 5-6=0
- ALL numbers are in kms (regardless of mile/km settings on instrument cluster)
Which leaves SIA option - this uses the following 2 x channels: - SIA: maximum value of distance to service
- SIA: maximum value of time to service
I'm not sure about SIA, but my hunch is that the values in these channels are the numbers that are substituted into 3-4 in my first list when the driver uses the manual SRI procedure that is described in the user-manual - maybe? I would welcome comments if anyone here knows how these channels are used!!!
Finally, the other important channel in the SRI suite is ESI: Resetting ESI. Notwithstanding reference to "ESI", this channel is used to reset the warning message on the instrument cluster. Change the value to no warning after correctly setting my first list of channels above to remove the SRI message
Don
Dear DV52, having serviced my VW I have performed all your steps indicated both in this Post and in others on how to reset the service. After doing everything (Reset ok) I find this message on the infotainment that says "Oil change and inspection in 15000 Km" which appears every time the car is started or stopped. Can you tell me how to remove this message?
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 20, 2022 21:30:25 GMT
fabbromix : Check the value of ESI: Resetting ESI in Adaptation on the Dashboard module. If it's not set to no warning - change the channel to this value. Then recycle the ignition. Does the message clear? If not, post-up a copy of the back-up for the hex17 module
Don
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Post by fabbromix on Nov 21, 2022 21:14:29 GMT
copy of the back-up for the hex17 module Hi DV52, Changed what you reported to me on ESI but same problem. Attachments:history.txt (69.74 KB)
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 22, 2022 0:11:50 GMT
fabbromix : I don't understand the very large number of changes that have been made to this module's service-interval channels. There are simply too many alterations to these channel settings in your back-up data for me to follow your logic. So, the only way for me to make sense of your data is to go back to basics. You say in your first post above that you "have performed all [my] steps indicated.... in [my] Post.......on how to reset the service". If you have done as I suggested in "[my] Post" (as you say in your post) -then, you would have understood from my words the importance of the setting for the channel:
As I have said a number of times in this thread, the value in this channel establishes which mode of service interval rules the Dashboard module uses. Specifically (and again as I have already said), the channel above can be considered to be a binary switch with the following two settings: - SIE: oil quality:
- Poor quality = FIX channels are used to determine service-interval mode
- Good quality = SIE channels are used to determine service-interval mode
I repeat my previous words - the terms "Good" and "Poor" when used in the channel above do NOT mean that the oil is either superior, or sub-standard - these a just (unfortunate) descriptors that determine which service-interval mode will be used (nothing else)
On your back-up file, the channel above is set to "Good quality". So - is this a factory setting, or was this value changed some time in the past? Or asked another way - did your car leave the VW factory with the PR number “QG1“ (the PR numbers are on the vehicle data carrier sticker)? Or asked yet another way - does this car have the extra factory installed measurement equipment about oil wear for Service Interval Extension calculations?
Don
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Post by fabbromix on Nov 22, 2022 10:28:12 GMT
DV52, my vehicle uses Longlife 5/30 oil serviced 30,000 km from the parent company. You see many changes because I did coding tests to remove the oil inspection change notice on the Infotainment even after having done a service a while ago.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 22, 2022 20:46:04 GMT
fabbromix : hmm.... I'm not sure how else to respond with other words, but I can't help if my questions are not answered! The type of oil that you use could be the most expensive lubricant in the world - it doesn't matter at all!!! I say again
I repeat my previous words - the terms "Good" and "Poor" when used in the channel above do NOT mean that the oil is either superior, or sub-standard
Don
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Post by fabbromix on Nov 22, 2022 21:51:52 GMT
Ok DV52: maybe we didn't understand each other.....
I did the coupon of the 30,000 km traveled (as requested by the parent company), I did all the resets in the various codings (SIE-FIX-SIA) as you rightly pointed out to us. I just want to figure out how to remove that change notice, inspection on the infotainment and make the message (same) appear only on expiry and not before 30 days as set at home.
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Post by andreds on Nov 30, 2022 2:58:17 GMT
Hi Don, I would like to set back the service interval of VW Jetta GLI to the USA interval 10,000 miles or 365 days Don't remember inspection interval miles/time. Did oil change this morning NOV 29,2022 I put these adaptations this morning: FIX Channel Adaptations 1. FIX: Reset value for next mileage-dependent inspection = 365 Days 2. FIX: Reset value for next time-dependent inspections = 15000 KM 3. FIX: Max. distance until next mileage-related inspection = 15000km 4. FIX: Maximum time until next time-dependent inspection = 180 Days 5. FIX: Distance covered since last mileage-dependent inspection = 0 6. FIX: Time since last time-dependent inspection = 0 Days SIE Channel Adaptations 1. SIE: minimum value km-driving distance/inspection = not available 2. SIE: time from inspection = 0 Days 3. SIE: maximum value km-driving distance/inspection = 31000 KM 4. SIE: maximum value of time between inspections = 744 Days 5. SIE: distance driven from inspection = 0 KM 6. SIE: oil quality = Poor oil quality SIA Channel Adaptations 1. SIA: maximum value of time to service = 365 Days 2. SIA: maximum value of distance to service = 16000 KM > 10,000Miles ~ I drove about 20 miles and service display not changing Would like to put back to USA service fixed interval/ inspection
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 30, 2022 20:15:56 GMT
andreds : Hi. Maybe this: FIX: Maximum time until next time-dependent inspection = 365 Days ESI: Resetting ESI = Reset/No Warning Don PS: My understanding is that the 2 x SIA channels are the values that are applied to the FIX channels when the user-manual method is used to reset the service interval reminder - so:
SIA: maximum value of distance to service = 15000 KM
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Post by andreds on Dec 1, 2022 21:55:34 GMT
Hi Don
Made the change, oil interval is not counting the car driven miles. Only the days. ( for the oil) meaning its only counting down days not miles
I would like to put the oil interval back to factory/ also the inspection. (USA interval oil/inspection) The reason I am asking.
The car was bought in the USA and brought to Caribbean island, the local dealership changed it.
Would like to put it back.
Greatly greatly appreciated your help.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Dec 1, 2022 22:51:21 GMT
andreds : "not counting the car driven miles"? Hmm........ interesting (I've not heard of this problem before)
So, with absolutely no offense intended - I wonder if your observation is more one of expectation, rather than being an actual error with the SRI function? The reason for my incredulity (again, no offense intended) is that I've looked in my database for the FIX: Distance covered since last mileage-dependent inspection channel. As far as I can see from my records, the count-down number that is reported for this channel has 2 x trailing zeros!
Maybe wait until the car has traveled at least 100 kms and look at the value again?
Don
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Post by andreds on Dec 1, 2022 23:09:57 GMT
no worries,
I check again tomorrow,
Do you have a VW jetta usa model?
maybe to compare...
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Post by andreds on Dec 1, 2022 23:16:05 GMT
"not counting the car driven miles"? Hmm........ interesting (I've not heard of this problem before)
From the previous picture shared, dont see the miles changing from yesterday and Today DEC 1. Only days
so basically
Yesterday: 10,000miles/ 365 days Today DEC 1: 10,000miles/ 364days
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Dec 1, 2022 23:28:58 GMT
I have 4 x modules from Yankee cars with 5C6 series hex09 modules and they ALL report in 100s of kms for this channel
Don
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Post by andreds on Dec 2, 2022 13:18:04 GMT
maybe its normal, I keep watching it..... Control unit: 17 Dashboard System description: KOMBI Software number: 5C6920973B Software version: 0811 Hardware number: 5C6920973B Hardware version: H04 Serial number: 00000000000000 ODX name: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 ODX version: A04721 Backup name: Dashboard Long coding: 271E01 Adaptations: Activating and deactivating all development messages: Development messages: not active Service-key settings: p_write_delay_time: 40 s p_write_delay_speed: 20 km/h p_write_distance: 20 km p_forcewrite_qual_time: 10 s p_main_switch_keyless: On p_main_switch_basis: On Display depiction: Display depiction: Not available Service_Key_Clear_All_Counters: clear_all_counter: Yes Twindrive: Function status: not active velocity_detection: Speed source: Distance impulses Distance impulses: 4 indicator_celebration: Zelebrieren: not active Distance: Distance: 88630 km WIV: Coding of Service Interval Extension (SIE): Status ESI or SID: ESI or SID on Selection of ESI or SID: Service interval display (SID) Oil level: Oil level evaluation oil pressure: Dynamic oil pressure Remote clock receiver: Without remote clock receiver Oil quality: Poor oil quality TOG: Oil level thermal sensor connected to instrument cluster WIV: Resetting ESI: ---: Reset Language version: ---: US English Display correction of consumptions and operating range: ---: 100 % Seat belt warning: Gurtwarnung: Version 2 Hour: ---: 10 h Minute: ---: 27 min Display correction of fuel gauge: Anzeigekorrektur Kraftstoffvorratsanzeige: -2.0 Speed threshold of dynamic oil pressure warning: Offsetwert: kein Offset SIE: distance driven from inspection: ---: 0 km SIE: time from inspection: ---: 0 d SIE: oil quality: ---: Poor oil quality SIE: soot entry: m-Aequivalent0..819100 in 100km: 0 km SIE: thermal load: m-Aequivalent0..819100 in 100km: 0 km Additional coding: Speed source: via CAN Coolant temperature source: via CAN Locking bit: locked Tank characteristic curve: 1 Number of fuel level sensors: 1 Units adjusted: Temperature: °C Distance: Miles Speed: Miles per hour Pressure: PSI Volume: gallons (US) Time: 12h AM_PM Date: dd_mm_yy Consumption: Miles per gallon (US) SIA: maximum value of distance to service: ---: 16000 km SIA: maximum value of time to service: ---: 365 d Indicator light for start-stop operation: ---: active Automatic door locking: ---: Yes Pause recommendation: ---: Yes Emergency telephone number: Status: not active Preselection: 000000000000 Telephone number: Volume to be replenished: ---: No additional_adaption: Logic address: 0 Function status: No Fix: Max. distance until next mileage-related inspection: ---: 15000 km FIX: Maximum time until next time-dependent inspection: ---: 180 d FIX: Distance covered since last mileage-dependent inspection: ---: 0 km FIX: Time since last time-dependent inspection: ---: 0 d FIX: Reset value for next mileage-dependent inspection: ---: 15000 km Service notification in days: ---: 20 d FIX: Reset value for next mileage-dependent inspections: ---: 365 d
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Post by andreds on Dec 2, 2022 14:01:39 GMT
BACKUP NOV 30
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Post by andreds on Dec 3, 2022 19:41:49 GMT
Do you think it has to do with this?
Service-key settings:
p_write_delay_time:
40 s
p_write_delay_speed:
20 km/h
p_write_distance:
20 km
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Dec 3, 2022 21:24:50 GMT
No I don't - those values are the factory settings for those 3 x channels
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Post by mk1989 on Jan 11, 2024 21:47:18 GMT
No I don't - those values are the factory settings for those 3 x channels Hi, I know I'm a year late, but I've been trying everything to get rid of the annoying service reminder without success. Tried ESI no reminder tip and it didn't work at first. I changed the oil setting, and then only after a battery unplug, did the ESI change to the desired setting. I thought I'd share this.
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