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Post by mikerussell97 on Feb 12, 2022 10:34:04 GMT
Anyone know or working on how to disable the hill assist. Been driveing manual for 5 years and the unpredictibility of it is driveing me insane and ive only had the car for 2 days. It has caused me to kill the car numerous times. I am not looking for people to tell me why it is nice to have or input anything on why i should keep it.
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Post by vwninja on Feb 18, 2022 22:17:20 GMT
Do you have dsg or manual?
Can't you just turn off auto hold?
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Post by mikerussell97 on Mar 4, 2022 8:51:36 GMT
Manual and not there is no way to disable it with the infotainment
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Post by vwninja on Mar 12, 2022 18:56:00 GMT
Next to the gearstick is a button marked "auto hold"...
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Post by jaco2k on Mar 14, 2022 1:08:41 GMT
Hill assist and auto hold are not the same thing.
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Post by t0astbandit on Oct 6, 2022 22:53:10 GMT
Ugh. Me too. It's the worst.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Oct 7, 2022 0:31:29 GMT
Yes, I agree - Hill Hold is something that is either a blessing from an omnipotent deity, or it is the work of the devil.
It certainly does tend to polarize VW drivers!! I'm in the former category - but not for religious reasons (it's because my cars have auto transmission)
So, I'm not sure about MQB-evo cars - it was easier with the previous MQB platform cars to manage Hill Hold's operation.
Anyway, I've noticed that there is an adaptation channel in the hex03 module with the intriguing name:
- Production mode-Vehicle holding function
On the MQB-evo cars in my database, the factory setting for this channel is deactivating. I wonder if changing the value to not active has the desired result?
To be crystal clear, I don't know what changing this value will do - I'm just sharing an observation
Don
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Post by newty on Oct 7, 2022 6:51:23 GMT
Production mode is triggered in the factory and development to prevent functions to work as they should later on the road. The in its inner workings is untouched, no faults are being sent for these functions (everything is lit up and running)
Some examples:
* You do not want to brakes to grip automatically when trollying the car from position to position
* You do not want the windows washers to turn on.
* You do not want to the horn or theft detection to sound.
I doubt you can change that adaption without the EOL-SFD token. I also doubt that this will have an effect.
Hill hold was somewhere in the undocumented coding for MQB. I can imagine this stayed the same as it was for the engine, so you can probably use an documentation for the older Golfs - but no warranties from my side.
This is different to transport mode where the functions are reduced to the absolute minimum needed for loading and unloading the car.
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Post by mitigating on Oct 15, 2022 9:01:51 GMT
Can I just add that "production mode" sounds like the default mode for customers. Is this an exact translation?
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Post by bruck on Nov 9, 2022 2:44:09 GMT
My god this has been killing me too. I've driven a manual every day for over 25yrs and all of a sudden I can't drive stick on a hill LOL.. But it bothered me so much yesterday I found a steep hill and "figured it out". I'm confident it's not designed for properly educated manual drivers, but I can say that as of today (it was just last night that I messed with it for about 30 minutes on a quiet hill) - that I feel comfortable. I want to disable it but my wife is about to learn stick on this car and I'd prefer it to still be there for her. Here is what I learned.
When I'm on a steep hill....
clutch foot all the way down (I did the ECS Clutch stop mod, OMG It's a game changer), threaded to 50% exactly like the youtube video suggests and it worked like a charm)
take my foot off the brake and begin to apply gas, I don't feather, I just get it to about 1500rpm
then i ease off the clutch as if I was sitting flat and as it begins to bite, the auto-brake drops off and just at that moment, I give it more gas to ease thru the shift. It's funny and stupid to have to teach myself and other manual drivers how to drive... but try this out (or go practice on your own). I promise once you get a feel for how this dumb feature wants to you drive, you'll be fine).
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Post by ch47av8r on Nov 9, 2022 2:56:27 GMT
It's a three count after foot off brake.
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Post by wang601 on Mar 10, 2023 23:49:00 GMT
The trick is when on a hill, clutch in and wait for the car to start creeping backwards. When the car starts creeping backwards, that's when you know the hill assist is disengaged. Proceed to give it gas while letting off the clutch. Took me a few months to figure this out because I thought I had to time the hill assist disengaging and would try to drive through it thus killing the car.
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Post by lapizmk8r on Mar 11, 2023 16:14:42 GMT
I've searched everywhere in OBDeleven for a setting. There is none. You would have to change the bits in the long coding and without knowing what those bits do, it's risky.
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Post by mikeyr on Sept 24, 2023 13:19:18 GMT
I can't wait until someone much smarter than me figures this out! ...I also detest that hill hold!
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Post by bigredfiretruck on Sept 28, 2023 14:55:28 GMT
This!
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Post by stefhelm on Oct 30, 2023 21:58:45 GMT
Keeping an eye on this thread. My 2024 is a little to aggressive with the hill assist as well. I'd love to dial it back, or disable it!
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Post by newty on Oct 31, 2023 12:56:58 GMT
My sources told me that hill start coding and coding parsing has been different throughout the software versions of the ESC control module.
The coding definitely differs between old MQB and the Golf 8.
They suspect that either the function is hardcoded to a certain point or dataset-driven. So without having very deep sources and probably a spare ESC module I see no chance here
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Post by stefhelm on Nov 2, 2023 4:06:22 GMT
Bummer. I guess I just have to learn to love it then! Thanks for the info.
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Post by rok99 on Nov 10, 2023 4:54:27 GMT
This is tragic news to see. The hill hold is unbearable for me. I've gotten a bit used to it but i stall the car half the time.
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Post by xanvier on Nov 15, 2023 19:25:32 GMT
I will agree the hill hold is dumb. sometimes it feels like it grabs way harder frustrating to say the least.
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Post by bkkjack on Apr 11, 2024 18:33:22 GMT
 This is an older post (2020) and this  was done on a 2020 Jetta. I don't know if they would have changed the coding, but it might be worth looking. I'd do it, but for some reason my OBDEleven won't connect to my brake control unit. I need to figure that out.
EDIT: I decided to try connecting to the brake controller again and it worked. I found byte 25 and bits 0 and 1 were already unchecked, so I guess those aren't the ones. I wasn't willing to uncheck 2 and 4, because I'm a fraidy cat noob to this computerized vehicle stuff.
Then I went into adaptations and Bergenfahrassistent was not listed.
You can file this (my first) post under, "if it were easy, it would have been done by now."
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Post by bkkjack on May 9, 2024 11:27:15 GMT
I had a long email conversation with Leigh at VW Care. Most of it was he saying he was still working on it. The end result was VWoA either has no idea how to code it out, or they just don't want to tell us. Either way is not a satisfactory response, in my opinion.
I consider this a safety issue. If a situation arises where the best - and maybe only way - to extricate yourself from unsafe circumstances is to immediately accelerate your way out of it. For this car to prevent that from happening for no other reason than you are stopped on an incline. It's even worse when you are on a steeper slope, because the car seems to hold harder. In an emergency situation, where one's experience tends to take over, the well-trained manual driver is going to work the gas and clutch pedals more aggressively and increase the chances of stalling. That takes those 2 seconds you didn't have and turns them into 5 or maybe 10.
There's absolutely no excuse for VW not including input from the TPS into the release coding. As soon as the driver takes the car off idle, the hill hold should be released.
Because of VW's response and that I strongly feel the way hill hold is implemented in this car, I felt I had no choice but to submit a complaint to the NHTSA. The tracking # is 11587076. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
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Post by rixstark on May 9, 2024 14:10:13 GMT
I bought a GTI 380 a few weeks ago. I also have a 2017 GTI Sport, 6MT. Purchased new.
I am having the same experience with the GTI 380 as all of you are having.
In fact, I was rear ended 1 mile from the dealership after picking up the car because of this issue...no kidding.
I was so used to the way the mk7 utilized hill hold and had not experienced a hill in my test drive before buying the car.
I am 53 years old and have only ever owned manual transmission cars.
Is there something I/we can do to strengthen the NHTSA case that you opened?
I had also test driven an Acura Integra (also has an electronic parking brake) and it worked just as nice as my mk7 GTI.
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Post by bkkjack on May 19, 2024 18:47:08 GMT
I would advise you to also make a complaint to the NHTSA. Since you were literally impacted by this "feature," yours should carry more weight than mine, especially if you have a police report, pictures, etc. I don't know if you can reference my tracking number or not, but the more complaints they receive, the more likely they won't round file them.
I still haven't heard anything from them yet. I will give it a couple more weeks - as a retired federal worker, I know the wheels on the gubment bus turn slowly - and if I don't get a response, I'll contact my Congressional Rep.
I took it to my test hill this morning. I don't know if VW pushed something behind the scenes, or it's "breaking in," but it felt slight less intrusive. I'm still not comfortable with it, but it does seem better. I'm just over 1100 miles.
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Post by purewhiter on Jun 13, 2024 15:41:14 GMT
All, I submitted a complaint to NHTSA as well and referenced the above complaint number. Here is mine: 11594135. This is a safety issue as there shouldn't be a software code preventing forward movement when it is required to move forward (such as get out of a bad situation). They should fix this before loss of life occurs.
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Post by mavoslice on Aug 6, 2024 22:56:38 GMT
I have the same issue on my 2024 Jetta Sport. I wrote to VW on instagram, and they filed a complaint with the NHTSA on my behalf. They have also "opened a case" on their end. There are several complaints about this system on NHTSA's website as well for late model VWs with manual transmissions. Hopefully something gets done.
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