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Post by lth0ms0n on May 21, 2021 15:34:13 GMT
Hi all, A few weeks ago, I noticed the subwoofer was missing from my sound settings menu. When I scanned the car, I got the following: Recently, I've begun to notice skipping when streaming audio via bluetooth. This only seems to be happening when playing music - I took a call in the car today and can't say I noticed the same thing. I'm using an iPhone XS and Apple Music - all tracks are downloaded to the phone, I don't tend to stream music via 4G when I'm out and about due to the extra battery drain. I didn't notice this when using the phone via MDI. I can't test it now as the MDI socket has been removed in preparation for my MIB2 upgrade in the next week or so. Is this a potential issue with the fibreoptic going from the MIB unit to the amplifier? I'm assuming that's what it's for - the cable doesn't appear to be damaged in any way and I can't be certain exactly when this started but of course, my worst fear is that it started after I took the glovebox out to remove the heater matrix a few weeks ago... Help! Please! I never use the radio in the car so if I can't use my own device, I'll never drive it again! 🤣🤣 Lewis
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on May 21, 2021 21:35:26 GMT
Lewis: The aspect of your error message that stands-out (for me) is "sporadic disruption". This means that the fault is intermittent which suggests (to me) that it's not a software problem - it's a hardware problem. The topology of the optical data bus for the digital sound system is like this:
Only the Japanese market has the TV option. The fiber-optic protocol that VW uses to communicate between modules is called "MOST" and as you can see - the arrangement is called a "ring architecture" (for obvious reasons).
So - given the nature of your error, a logical cause might be the 2 x optic fiber cables that connect J794 (the module that OBD11 identifies as hex5F that lives in the glove-box) and J525 (the exterior amplifier that is situated under the passenger seat). The ring arrangement means that each module has 2 x optical fiber connections (i.e. a "send-message" and a "receive-message" glass-fiber)
Of course anything is possible, but unless the optic fiber cable has been roughly handled, it's not usually a problem. The more likely issue is the FAKRA connectors at either ends of the optical cables. My suggestion is to check these plug/sockets for damage and check the integrity of the connections!
Don
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Post by lth0ms0n on Jun 3, 2021 17:29:58 GMT
I was hoping that wasn’t going to be the immediate feedback.. I haven’t been near them in all the time I’ve had the car, save for when I removed the glove box to get at my heater core in April. Since then, I’ve had the unit out another twice to test new MIB2 units but being an IT guy, I know you need to be gentle with them. I’ve always ensured they are clipped to the top of the glovebox (on the top side of it) whenever it’s had to come out and I’ve been careful about reconnecting them - the only time it’s needed a push has been when sliding the unit back into the bay but I can’t see how that would have been damage inducing..
I’m assuming that I need to inspect the ends of them for cracks etc? The intermittent sound seems to come and go - it’s at its worst when other cars are around. If I use the radio, or Bluetooth is on and the roads are clear, I get an uninterrupted stream from it and I imagine, once my MIB2 is hooked up and I get the USB port back, it will be a different story.
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Post by lth0ms0n on Jun 6, 2021 22:22:40 GMT
So I took my unit out tonight to fit my new MIB2, in prep for upgrading it at some stage this week. Fakra connectors and fibre-optics look like this: You can see that, at least with the connectors themselves, they are in fantastic condition. There is a small split in the outer-casing for them but as I've been in here so rarely (first time was in early April, as-per OP) but I doubt that's the issue. I've OBDII'd the car twice tonight. I'll do it again tomorrow but there were no errors relating to this there - not with the old unit tonight and not with the new one. Because of CP, I can't test the audio output of the new unit to confirm lack of audio 'clipping' but that will be among the first things I do with it this week when the job is done. Given the intermittent nature of the audio issues themselves, I'm inclined to believe that the problem may actually be more to do with bluetooth interference from other vechicles than any kind of long-term damage to the fibre. No one has been in there and given the value I place on the stereo (you can take anything else about the car from me, PLEASE leave me with that) I was, and always have been, phenomenally careful when removing those connections from the back of the MIB. There is no way they can have been damaged, the splits in the plastic casing could have always been there from when the unit was first pushed into the slot, during manufacturing. I don't get any audio issues using any other audio source, not even the radio. Which leads me to believe there are just too many other people on the road using bluetooth to stream audio to their cars nowadays and we're crossing paths with each other. What's irritating is the fact that once the stream is contaminated - that's it. I have to reset the MIB using the power button if I want to resolve the issue, and I'm not even guaranteed that will do it when it comes online and re-establishes the connection to my phone... I hate to say it but sometimes wires really are all that and a bag of chips!
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jun 6, 2021 22:43:28 GMT
lth0ms0n : hmmm......... it seems (to me) to be a very long stretch in logic for a Bluetooth problem to be misinterpreted by the hex 5F dianostic protocol as an optical fiber fault! BUT - I hope you are correct, and there is a finite possibility that you are (as I said in my FIRST reply, "anything is possible"). Don
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Post by lth0ms0n on Jun 8, 2021 22:12:24 GMT
It might help if I explain how I got here. I'm not saying that the unit is reporting bluetooth interference as a problem with the fibre-optic - there is every chance I am conflating two things here as I work through it and rule things out - it's that I can't get to the bottom of what's causing the audio to drop the way that it is.
So, I've ALWAYS used the car with either an iPod, or an iPhone, connected with the appropriate cable via MDI. Historically, I haven't used bluetooth for audio streaming - except for on short runs - because of the battery drain and the lack of ability (although only with MIB1, as I learned after playing with my new unit this week) to browse the content of the phone from the unit, rather than using the phone.
On the odd occasion, I would notice the bluetooth audio skipping, but would't think anything of it as it was so infrequent.
As the software on my iPhone has matured however, the MDI has become harder and harder to use with it - to the point where I've just stopped using it altogether and now use bluetooth 80-90% of the time.
About 5-6 weeks ago, I was messing with the sound settings when I noticed the subwoofer option was missing from the menu. A quick scan revealed the error with the fibre-optic which prompted this thread. I think I rebooted the unit and it brought the sub back, I cleared the error and that was that. I was a little concerned however - at this stage, I didn't know a lot about the wiring for the stereo and I had recently found water in the spare wheel well (turned out to be the clogged tube from the rear emblem) - and I worried that something had in-fact gotten damaged with that.
It's only been since the end of March that I've began to notice real disruption to the audio stream when playing over bluetooth. I've been reduced to using it solely for the last 3-4 weeks, as I fitted my new USB module and wiring loom ahead of my MIB2 retrofit - rendering it useless until that was completed. What's interesting is that it's not always there (and neither is the error/fault reported with the fibre-optic) and the interference appears to be at it's worst along one particular stretch of road (which, by admission, I drive almost daily) although there are no radio beacons, pylons or lines there which would be giving off any radiation that could potentially knock it out. Even then, I'd expect to be able to pinpoint the location and ignore it - once the interference is there however, it's rhythmical and doesn't go away, so it's not even as if there is one particular car model, or mobile device, which could potentially be triggering it.
If I use another source (a CD, or the radio) it doesn't happen. At all. Along the stretch of road where I knowingly get bluetooth interference, or any other - not even in the city centre.
I have since learned that there was a S/W release for the Composition Media system which had a bug in it that caused the Sub to disappear from the Sound menu. My unit is out now but having learned this, it's likely that this was the issue. Not once, in nearly 8 years, have I seen this happen before.
So, we're now at the stage where I'm still suffering with bluetooth interference (although phone calls appear to be fine) with this intermittent, almost phantom issue with the fibre-optic. Bearing in mind that the first time I saw this error with the fibre was before I removed the glovebox to dismantle the heater unit and extract the core for flushing, so anything which may have had the potential of being done to it since then (I've had the MIB out a handful of times since, testing various MIB2 units for suitability) are likely not the cause.
I know others have reported the issue with bluetooth skipping and I'm beginning to think it's just the case that there are a lot of people doing this now and the space is becoming congested. If I do it on a totally clear stretch of road, I can enjoy the audio perfectly, so it certainly seem that way. Where my family are from, it's very popular for people to drive German cars and to opt for higher-end models/trims, so it's entirely likely that the number of VWs/Audis on the road around Aberdeen may well be a part of the issue. However, I have tried to take note of what's around me when I start to hear the clipping start and again, I'm struggling to find a common denominator.
I am beginning to wonder if, given the error was there before anyone had handled the MIB unit to begin with (apart from when it was first installed) what's actually causing this issue is a software fault than anything else. My new MIB is in and CP has been removed - my tech ran out of time so I currently have no FECs installed (we're doing that tomorrow) but my plan is to test this thoroughly with the new unit, ignoring CarPlay for now, to see if the Fibre error continues to pop-up or if, in fact, after writing out all of this, it turns out to be nothing more than a red herring, in which case another bug in VW's software has been uncovered.
I'm not sure if that bodes well for the intentions I read they have for taking more of their S/W development in-house...
A little long-winded - you can blame my latent neurodiversitr for that - but does that give some kind of indication of my...call it a thought process...here?
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jun 8, 2021 22:46:02 GMT
thanks for the explanation...... I better understand the context for your thought process now!! Hope that it works-out well for you.
Don
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Post by 2018gti on Sept 21, 2024 17:17:22 GMT
lth0ms0n just wondering if you're still dealing with this issue? i'm having pretty much the same problem as you and i believe it started when i replaced my stock MIB2 with a Harman MIB2.5 (High). I was getting the "sporadic disruption" error code, though not anymore for some reason, but every time i go for a drive and play music over Bluetooth, the music will stutter and/or cut out and then play faster than normal to catch up which sounds kind of funny. the MIB unit will also sometimes completely disconnect from my phone and i'll have to select the device again from the list. the fault code points to a fiber issue but it really seems like a Bluetooth problem to me. i still need to try a different device like my laptop or something to see if maybe it's my phone (iphone 12 pro max). alternatively it's the head unit itself which would be sad if it has a Bluetooth issue. though maybe i should expect some weirdness because it's an Audi unit that i converted to Volkswagen and has component protection + FECs patched out. i am also in the middle of a speaker + amp retrofit so if that solves the issue i'll post an update. i'm about to replace the Fender amp with a Focal and run the speaker wires from the MIB to the new amp under the driver seat, disable MOST, etc. i'm not too hopeful that this will solve the issue but who knows, maybe it will!
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Post by 2018gti on Sept 22, 2024 19:57:17 GMT
nvm it seems to be a problem with my phone. i brought my kindle fire tablet into the car today, paired it with bluetooth, and played some music with spotify - zero stutters whatsoever for over an hour drive across the the city and tons of other cars, perfectly clear sound. the kindle is so slow to the point of being unusable sometimes so, if it can play perfectly fine then it must be my phone.
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