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Post by aussietig on Aug 20, 2019 1:36:46 GMT
Am putting this on here because the Tig forum is stagnant and the platform is similar
I would like to know if I can enable some of the disabled functions in my ACC and what would be the implication of doing so
What I find curious is that I have enabled Traffic signs and it works but says not in here Also have lane change assist with the lights in the mirrors from factory but not in here.
Says module for Lane change assist not installed but it works
Car supposedly has emergency braking but not in here
Would love to know the answers please.
Thanks for advice so far Forum is very helpful
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Aug 20, 2019 2:19:24 GMT
^^^^ I wouldn't be too concerned about the state of the software switches on the code-strings in your picture. My experience is that the UDS modules on MQB platform vehicles (like your Tiggy) have multiple ways of enabling functions. Simply relying on the status of individual module long-code settings is not always accurate. A better way of presenting your question to the forum (IMO) is to post-up a copy of the Tiggy's scan report. This will show all of us what actual equipment is installed in your car and more importantly it will show us how the module code strings interact with one-another. Don
PS: incidentally, is the "aussie" part of your handle related to the land-down-under (where women glow and men chunder)?
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Post by aussietig on Aug 20, 2019 2:23:18 GMT
SO a full scan of the 34 modules in the car?
Yes same as you but actually I am from across the ditch 17 years ago
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Aug 20, 2019 2:26:17 GMT
^^^ only if you want - no obligation whatsoever. If you are concerned about the length of the scan, enclose the report in "code" tags. But no problem if not
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Post by aussietig on Aug 20, 2019 2:44:18 GMT
Here you go I have done a few things so wont be bog standard
insert code here
Date: 2019-08-20 12:35
VIN: WVGZZZ5NZKW836222 Car: Volkswagen Tiguan R-line Year: 2019 Body type: SUV Engine: CHHB 162 kW (220 HP) 2.0 l Mileage: 2550 KM
--------------------------------------------------------------- 01 Engine
System description: 2.0l R4 TFSI Software number: 5N0906259 Software version: 0002 Hardware number: 06K907425B Hardware version: H13 ODX name: EV_ECM20TFS0205N0906259 ODX version: 001004 Long coding: 092500322466050B3000
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 02 Transmission
System description: GSG DQ500 Software number: 0DL300013G Software version: 2120 Hardware number: 0GC927711G Hardware version: H06 ODX name: EV_TCMDQ500021 ODX version: 001001 Long coding: 0014
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 03 Brakes
System description: ESC Software number: 5Q0614517DE Software version: 0524 Hardware number: 5Q0614517AD Hardware version: H25 Serial number: 63058000000148 ODX name: EV_Brake1UDSContiMK100IPB ODX version: 037009 Long coding: 0AEE939A542323724779070262C54950C92AC4E2E046927D384250B8C2AA420B002F641A1B13111435351919323200
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 06 Seat Adjustment Passenger Side
System description: Sitzmemory Software number: 5Q0959760C Software version: 0024 Hardware number: 5Q0959760C Hardware version: H09 Serial number: Y0006RJG35532 ODX name: EV_SeatMemorPasseSide ODX version: 002022 Long coding: 0014000000000500818280808180000000008181000000F400
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 08 Air Conditioning
System description: AC Automat Software number: 5NA907044N Software version: 4301 Hardware number: 5NA907044N Hardware version: H35 Serial number: 00000B01142009 ODX name: EV_ACClimaPrehVW37X ODX version: 002023 Long coding: 0012000420010000110510001210142A
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 09 Central Electrics
System description: BCM MQBAB M+ Software number: 5Q0937084DC Software version: 0273 Hardware number: 5Q0937084CF Hardware version: H38 Serial number: 00001831400124 ODX name: EV_BCMMQB ODX version: 019001 Long coding: 000003000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Subsystems: System description: 326 RL 131018 Software version: 0372 Hardware version: 033 Serial number: 00000001810110302202 Long coding: 0E4DDD
System description: RLHS Software version: 0107 Hardware version: 052 Serial number: SBY18M11D14H01M18S33 Long coding: 00A8DD
System description: Lenks.Modul Software version: 0170 Hardware version: H03 Serial number: 0100091120180C103969
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 13 Adaptive Cruise Control
System description: ACCCONTIMQB Software number: 2Q0907572M Software version: 0233 Hardware number: 2Q0907572B Hardware version: H03 ODX name: EV_ACCMRRCONTIVW376 ODX version: 002012 Long coding: 320047C35CFF8728749C8145304087
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 14 Wheel Dampening Electronics
System description: DAEMPFUNGS-SG Software number: 5Q0907376B Software version: 0121 Hardware number: 5Q0907376A Hardware version: H17 Serial number: 08081841350786 ODX name: EV_DRCONTITEMIC ODX version: 001019
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 15 Airbag
System description: AirbagVW21 Software number: 5Q0959655BJ Software version: 0339 Hardware number: 5Q0959655BJ Hardware version: 006 Serial number: 003VWR4TTWCR ODX name: EV_AirbaVW20SMEVW37X ODX version: 002160 Long coding: 98CCC0C00C0000005C540000008800000065
Subsystems: System description: SideSensor_Df Software version: 0887 Hardware version: 001 Serial number: 35700000000CF078B53X Long coding: 2D2D2D
System description: SideSensor_Pf Software version: 0887 Hardware version: 001 Serial number: 358000000000C5F8953U Long coding: 2D2D2D
System description: SideSensor_Dr Software version: 6149 Hardware version: 004 Serial number: 3510001122B70F52A5C$ Long coding: 2D2D2D
System description: SideSensor_Pr Software version: 6149 Hardware version: 004 Serial number: 35200011E2B7F1C3C57F Long coding: 2D2D2D
System description: FrontSensor_D Software version: 6149 Hardware version: 004 Serial number: 35500011C2B805C4347/ Long coding: 2D2D2D
System description: PedP_Sensor_D Software version: 6149 Hardware version: 003 Serial number: 2280001B12C6240642DX Long coding: 2D2D2D
System description: PedP_Sensor_P Software version: 6149 Hardware version: 003 Serial number: 2290001BB2BD5E5363BN Long coding: 2D2D2D
System description: PedP_Sensor_C Software version: 6149 Hardware version: 003 Serial number: 2300001BB2BD5E532625 Long coding: 2D2D2D
System description: PedPSensor_D2 Software version: 0887 Hardware version: 001 Serial number: I0M00000000DC2408531 Long coding: 2D2D2D
System description: PedPSensor_P2 Software version: 0887 Hardware version: 001 Serial number: I0N00000000750F4353/ Long coding: 2D2D2D
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 17 Dash Board
System description: KOMBI Software number: 5NA920791C Software version: 4191 Hardware number: 5NA920791C Hardware version: 403 ODX name: EV_DashBoardVDDMQBAB ODX version: 009058 Long coding: 27A5001A7F8C000801887B0B1401000080000000
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 19 Gateway
System description: GW MQB High Software number: 3Q0907530Q Software version: 5344 Hardware number: 3Q0907530C Hardware version: 518 Serial number: 28101810803901 ODX name: EV_GatewNF ODX version: 013023 Long coding: 030500347F085900FB07225A9E0F00010001070000000000000000000000
Subsystems: System description: 1-01-13-01-04
System description: J367-BDMHella Software version: 9070 Hardware version: H10 Serial number: 0323139404
System description: E221__MFL-DC1 Software version: 0052 Hardware version: H11 Serial number: 29180002545390038436 Long coding: 2DFFFF
System description: E881 BedieFPA Software version: 0460 Hardware version: 001 Serial number: 000000091171RJS000EG Long coding: 464553
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 22 All Wheel Control
System description: Haldex4Motion Software number: 0CQ907554J Software version: 7084 Hardware number: 0CQ525130 Hardware version: H55 Serial number: HA1-00008.10.1800010256 ODX name: EV_AllWheelContrHA1VW37X ODX version: 004013 Long coding: 0101
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 29 Light Control Left
System description: LCM_MLBevo Software number: 8V0907399B Software version: 0014 Hardware number: 8V0907399B Hardware version: H08 ODX name: EV_LCMLeftHELLAAU736 ODX version: 001012
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 2B Steering Column Locking
System description: ELV-MQBB Software number: 3Q0905861B Software version: 0020 Hardware number: 3Q0905861B Hardware version: H05 Serial number: 18000347348017 ODX name: EV_ELVMarqMQBA0 ODX version: 002002 Long coding: 0800000000000000
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 33 OBD-II
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 36 Seat Adjustment Driver Side
System description: Sitzmemory Software number: 5Q0959760C Software version: 0024 Hardware number: 5Q0959760C Hardware version: H09 Serial number: Y0006RJG35540 ODX name: EV_SeatMemorDriveSide ODX version: 002022 Long coding: 001400020000050001C280808180000000008181000000F400
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 39 Light Control Right
System description: LCM_MLBevo Software number: 8V0907399B Software version: 0014 Hardware number: 8V0907399B Hardware version: H08 ODX name: EV_LCMRightHELLAAU736 ODX version: 001012
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 3C Lane Change Assistant
System description: MRR1Rear Software number: 3Q0907566G Software version: 0530 Hardware number: 3Q0907566 Hardware version: H23 ODX name: EV_RearRadarS1BoschVW48X ODX version: 001007 Long coding: 44C002
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 42 Door Electronics Driver Side
System description: TSG FS Software number: 5Q0959593F Software version: 0287 Hardware number: 5Q0959593F Hardware version: 001 Serial number: YE007RK21933C ODX name: EV_DCU2DriveSideMAXHKLO ODX version: 001010 Long coding: 003F1B20D201040000000000
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 44 Steering Assistance
System description: EPS_MQB_ZFLS Software number: 5QF909144B Software version: 5582 Hardware number: 5QF909144A Hardware version: 507 ODX name: EV_SteerAssisMQB ODX version: 015157 Long coding: 93170000
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 47 Sound System
System description: MIB2_amp_P_VW Software number: 3Q0035465 Software version: 0440 Hardware number: 3Q0035465 Hardware version: H60 Serial number: VWZ8Z1JJD022C3/ ODX name: EV_AMPMst16C3Gen2ALPI ODX version: 001016 Long coding: 1223060001A00A2AAA0000000000
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 4B Multifunction Module
System description: FCM MQB Low Software number: 3Q0907338C Software version: 0345 Hardware number: 3Q0907338C Hardware version: 002 Serial number: 31101810804244 ODX name: EV_MultiModulContiVW48X ODX version: 002006 Long coding: 000000050900084E07104F050A0000000000000000000000000000000000
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 52 Door Electronics Passenger Side
System description: TSG BFS Software number: 5Q0959592F Software version: 0287 Hardware number: 5Q0959592F Hardware version: 001 Serial number: YE007RHO01541 ODX name: EV_DCU2PasseSideMAXHKLO ODX version: 001010 Long coding: 003F1120DE01040000000000
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 5F Information Control Unit
System description: MU-H-N-RW Software number: 5NA035045C Software version: 1161 Hardware number: 5NA035045 Hardware version: H55 Serial number: A849K0JS036548 ODX name: EV_MUHig4CGen2HBAS ODX version: 001001 Long coding: 027306080000000051510002000808001F0106E601200400FF
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 6C Camera System Rear View
System description: Areaview 2 Software number: 5Q0907556C Software version: 0608 Hardware number: 5Q0907556 Hardware version: H13 Serial number: C854707JG0408423 ODX name: EV_CamSysRVAV2ARCE2MQBAB ODX version: 006017 Long coding: 01230600A20F200000204094
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 6D Deck Lid Control Unit
System description: HDSG-Modul Software number: 5Q0959107Q Software version: 0266 Hardware number: 5Q0959107C Hardware version: H12 Serial number: 32187868400000 ODX name: EV_DeckLidCONTIAU736 ODX version: 001016 Long coding: 0A28
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- 76 Parking Assistance
System description: PLA 3.0 12K Software number: 3Q0919298E Software version: 0046 Hardware number: 3Q0919298 Hardware version: H09 Serial number: 002809187498053546 ODX name: EV_EPHBO2CVW3260000 ODX version: 010019 Long coding: 0331667851
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- A5 Front Sensors Driver Assistance System
System description: MQB_B_MFK Software number: 3Q0980654H Software version: 0272 Hardware number: 3Q0980654A Hardware version: H09 Serial number: 31071812K12020 ODX name: EV_MFKBoschMQBB ODX version: 001001 Long coding: 000307060000010100022346C156A90098000E300040
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- B7 Access Startsystem Interface
System description: VWKESSYMQB Software number: 3Q0959435L Software version: 1204 Hardware number: 3Q0959435L Hardware version: 037 Serial number: 0498855413 ODX name: EV_KessyHellaMQBAB ODX version: 004046 Long coding: 132C2C0723
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- BB Door Electronics Rear Driver Side
System description: TSG HFS Software number: 8W1959595D Software version: 0187 Hardware number: 8W1959595D Hardware version: 003 Serial number: YE007RJE09317 ODX name: EV_DCU2RearDriveMAXHKLO ODX version: 001010 Long coding: 002A11200100040000000000
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- BC Door Electronics Rear Passenger Side
System description: TSG HBFS Software number: 8W1959595D Software version: 0187 Hardware number: 8W1959595D Hardware version: 003 Serial number: YE007RJE04615 ODX name: EV_DCU2RearPasseMAXHKLO ODX version: 001010 Long coding: 002A11200100040000000000
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- CF Lane Change Assistant 2
System description: MRR1Rear Software number: 3Q0907590G Software version: 0530 Hardware number: 3Q0907590 Hardware version: H23 ODX name: EV_RearRadarS2BoschVW48X ODX version: 001007 Long coding: 44C002
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- D6 Light Control Left 2
System description: LED1L Software number: 7P5941572AG Software version: 0008 Hardware number: 7P5941572A Hardware version: H07 ODX name: EV_LEDMinMaxL_KEBODAVW481 ODX version: 001003
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
--------------------------------------------------------------- D7 Light Control Right 2
System description: LED1R Software number: 7P5941572AG Software version: 0008 Hardware number: 7P5941572A Hardware version: H07 ODX name: EV_LEDMinMaxR_KEBODAVW481 ODX version: 001003
Trouble codes: No trouble codes found
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Post by newty on Aug 20, 2019 11:22:58 GMT
Yep. ACC is not working with traffic signs at all. Predictive ACC would do this, but this is not possible with radars from continental right now.
Lane change is not side assist - this one is for (semi) automatic lane changes, which is not implemented in any MQB car right now
Yep. Its another module you are coding here, which is different to MRRrear. MQB is a modular system which can mix a whole lot of varieties of control modules together.
There are a lot of different coding bits for Front Assist which are enabled at your screenshots. I have sweeped through some scans: Conti has AEB_CM disabled, which Bosch has them enabled. Seems like this setting is unsupported by conti. But as I think nobody spreads the word about the whole lot of AWV (Anhaltewegverkürzung => Stopping distance reduction) and braking bits, we do not know what is behind this bit.
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Post by aussietig on Aug 20, 2019 22:41:13 GMT
So from what you are saying there would be no advantage enabling traffic sign recognition because it simply wont work and/or doesnt need to work. Likewise with any of the other things that may be useful but are disabled
Thanks for answering
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Post by aussietig on Aug 26, 2019 2:17:56 GMT
What would be the effect of enabling Traffic sign recognition in this module. ?? Hope fully Don will answer
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Post by newty on Aug 26, 2019 4:57:41 GMT
Even if I am not Don...
It will do nothing useful, as: *Conti is not supporting Traffic Sign Recognition in their modules right now *The matching software license (Swap) for that is not enabled *You would have to enable predictive ACC, too
Now why it is there? There are descriptions (UDX) for control modules, which are describing which bit what which function. These are standardized, not issued for every software and Brand. So this comes, that a control module uses an UDX, but not supporting all features described. Either it's ignoring them or it will throw a fault.
When you are so curious about it: Try it! Thats how most stuff posted here was figured out!
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Post by aussietig on Aug 26, 2019 5:15:47 GMT
Even if I am not Don... It will do nothing useful, as: *Conti is not supporting Traffic Sign Recognition in their modules right now *The matching software license (Swap) for that is not enabled *You would have to enable predictive ACC, too Now why it is there? There are descriptions (UDX) for control modules, which are describing which bit what which function. These are standardized, not issued for every software and Brand. So this comes, that a control module uses an UDX, but not supporting all features described. Either it's ignoring them or it will throw a fault. When you are so curious about it: Try it! Thats how most stuff posted here was figured out! Thank you just was Don asked me to post some stuff and hasnt replied Thats Ok i just wondered what it would do and probably will try just to see if it makes any difference
Havent worked out yet why the TSR changes to a different speed when there is no sign in sight anywhere. Locally it does it and I think there was previously an area with that speed but not any more
Also coming up the highway it changes with in an 80kph zone to 60kph when there are no signs but used to be before the roadworks were started
Seems to be historical data in the mapping system that it must read as no other logical explanation.
Any ideas on that ?? Thanks
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Post by newty on Aug 26, 2019 5:31:33 GMT
Okay, that I had not my in mind anymore.
TSR is using map data, send by the nav to the camera, fusioned together with the signs recognized by the camera. With some algorithm the camera decides what to send back to the nav and the instruments. So its mostly map data which is outdated when signs are shown incorrect.
With pACC working (like Arteon and the new Passat) this speed can also be used for the ACC setting.
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Post by aussietig on Aug 26, 2019 5:44:16 GMT
Okay, that I had not my in mind anymore. TSR is using map data, send by the nav to the camera, fusioned together with the signs recognized by the camera. With some algorithm the camera decides what to send back to the nav and the instruments. So its mostly map data which is outdated when signs are shown incorrect. With pACC working (like Arteon and the new Passat) this speed can also be used for the ACC setting. Ok but i have seen it said fusion doesnt work but I bow to your knowledge as something is going on.
There is a fusion mode in the module you alter to get TSR and you change it OFF fusion so that it can see the signs
Beats me, will just put up with what Ive got till a firmware maybe alters things (Hopefully)
But I dont think i would like predictive cruise as most corners can be taken quite a bit above suggested speeds
Cheers G
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Post by newty on Aug 26, 2019 9:46:51 GMT
There are 3 operation modes for TSR: Electric Horizon - only use navigation data Sign recogniztion - only use camera data (TSR only detects round signs, no city sings, also does not credit turns - so it keeps old limits for a long time until something new is seen) Fusion - some algorithms decide what traffic sign is plausible and display that. This is factory default.
pACC incorporates to use map-data for bends, roundabouts etc to reduce your speed below the limit where neccessary.
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Post by aussietig on Aug 26, 2019 10:31:28 GMT
There are 3 operation modes for TSR: Electric Horizon - only use navigation data Sign recogniztion - only use camera data (TSR only detects round signs, no city sings, also does not credit turns - so it keeps old limits for a long time until something new is seen) Fusion - some algorithms decide what traffic sign is plausible and display that. This is factory default. pACC incorporates to use map-data for bends, roundabouts etc to reduce your speed below the limit where neccessary. Part of the TSR coding says in A5 Adaptation change from Fusion mode to road sign detection so i guess that is why it shows old signs and Fusion mode wont work as you say it hasnt got the capability but it apparently is the factory default so it must just ignore it?
Maybe should I try Fusion mode but i think I did and it didnt work
Just trying to understand things a bit better
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Post by newty on Aug 26, 2019 11:50:24 GMT
The Adaption from factory is always fusion. All other modes are working so badpy you do not want to acutally use them besides development. (That's why you will have to buy a navigation system for TSR)
I just have peeked through my archive and found a car with A5 installed and no traffic sign recognition: Even then fusion is enabled, so its definitely factory default for all cars and cameras.
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Post by aussietig on Aug 26, 2019 22:12:13 GMT
Thanks I will have a little play and see what happens and report back.
On another forum a guy with a GTI is asking why wont the TSR slow him down to the speed limit at places like school zones etc.
Going on your information the answer would be Because the unit doesnt have the software to do that correct??
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Post by aussietig on Aug 27, 2019 5:07:58 GMT
Fusion in A5 stops it from working but havent tried Traffic sign detection in the ACC 13 control unit because I dont know which of about 20 security keys to use
Anyone know
THanks
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Post by newty on Aug 27, 2019 18:00:22 GMT
Is there an Error Message? Did you enable PSD in Long Coding 5F and Enabled TSR in A5 (Byte 16 Bit 4)? PSD is missing in most manuals.
The GTI should come with a Bosch ACC which *could* use TSR and route data for setting the speed. But you will need a special Swap License from VW individually for your car, which is unobtainable by official channels, so there is no reliable way to enable this.
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Post by aussietig on Aug 28, 2019 4:57:40 GMT
Ive gone into module 13 yesterday and put in the wrong code 3 times and its locked me out Today I tried again and put in the 14117 which is a valid code and it says 37 : lockout time not ended(or similar) In the FAQ's it says 20 mins so I waited 40 mins and still locked out? ?
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Post by vwjap on Aug 28, 2019 7:59:17 GMT
With ignition on?
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Post by aussietig on Aug 28, 2019 8:16:21 GMT
Yes had been looking through other modules and was connected and had ign on but not engine
It said in RED
37: Incorrect code lockout time not passed.
Did that yesterday and today i tried again and it said the same I pulled the dongle out and restarted the phone and reconnected and redid it and still got the same
Waited half an hour tried again with same result
Weird because during that time bluetooth said it needed pairing and didnt do so but its all connected and going OK
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Post by aussietig on Aug 29, 2019 0:13:26 GMT
Once again this morning I tried and used 14117 in Module 13 and it said Wrong code and locked me out again Dont know what to do now as 3 attempts so maybe that code is incorrect. Had car locked dongle out all night put dongle in, turned ign on, connected phone, changed one long coding item pressed green tick, put code in and it all turns to dirty brown stuff?
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Post by newty on Aug 29, 2019 8:53:30 GMT
As far as I know you will have to keep ignition on for the security code lockout to reset.
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Post by aussietig on Aug 29, 2019 8:59:06 GMT
Ok so go for a drive or just idle engine in garage for 30 mins???
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Post by aussietig on Aug 30, 2019 1:49:12 GMT
I sat with it on for 30 mins this morning and tried the coding again . I got to put code in and I put 14117 in and it said 35 wrong code so i scrolled down through the several hundred codes and found 14117 and put it in again TWICE and now it says 37 locked out So its rather obvious I have a problem or 14117 is NOT the code for control unit 13
Cant figure this lot out
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Post by aussietig on Sept 2, 2019 1:31:23 GMT
Fixed it despite what has been posted in the list of codes it is 20103 in mine anyway
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