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Post by florian on Jan 5, 2020 21:53:41 GMT
Hi all friends, I am coming to you for your help, I will explain to you I have a golf 7 with this original rear view mirror that you see in the first photo there is a button below, I have it replaced by the rear view mirror that you see in the 2 nd photo without edge which has no button, but this rear view mirror never turns on, I was told that there were connections to be modified and coding can you tell me tell which ones? I'm not talking about FLA, just the rear view mirror that turns off at night when someone lights up too much, I already have the FLA lane assist and panel detection with the A5 camera. Thanks for your answers friends
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 6, 2020 0:09:46 GMT
florian: I'm not sure where you purchased your frameless mirror, but did you install the power supply wire from the mirror to the rotary light switch (i.e. the LDS)? The wire runs in the driver-side "A" pillar and the harness that is supplied with the new mirror biggy-backs onto the 10 x pin connector on the LDS - see video below Don
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Post by florian on Jan 6, 2020 12:28:08 GMT
Hi DV52, no I just bought the only mirror without cable, currently I plugged it into the original socket the one I had with the old mirrors because the sockets are the same, just I don't know what that I need to change or add, if you can tell me
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Post by ofektal8 on Jan 6, 2020 16:21:40 GMT
Hey, both of your mirrors are automatic, it should be just plug and play.
If you had wiring going to the old mirror then it was an automatic dimming mirror.
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Post by vwjap on Jan 6, 2020 16:38:19 GMT
Hey, both of your mirrors are automatic, it should be just plug and play. If you had wiring going to the old mirror then it was an automatic dimming mirror. I was thinking that, even though if I had the choice I’d have the old mirror as the new one doesn’t dim to the edges so you still get blinded
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Post by florian on Jan 6, 2020 22:10:12 GMT
Hello friends, I had a problem with an electric mirror but I had to press the button below to activate the automatic function without that nothing worked, the concern is that today my mirror without edge never tint , and when I plug the original pin which fits perfectly in the mirror the original pins do not match those of the mirror so I would like a little tutorial to help me on this area to convert the old to new.
Thank you
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 6, 2020 22:14:01 GMT
Hey, both of your mirrors are automatic, it should be just plug and play. If you had wiring going to the old mirror then it was an automatic dimming mirror. oops - you are 100% correct (not sure how I missed that!!! )
Don
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Post by florian on Jan 7, 2020 20:36:50 GMT
Okay can you help me then? Just so that it can automatically dye tell me which thread is going or etc story so that I can adjust with what I get
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 7, 2020 22:09:30 GMT
Hello friends, I had a problem with an electric mirror but I had to press the button below to activate the automatic function without that nothing worked, the concern is that today my mirror without edge never tint , and when I plug the original pin which fits perfectly in the mirror the original pins do not match those of the mirror so I would like a little tutorial to help me on this area to convert the old to new. Thank you hmm......... new information!!! What makes you think that the new mirror is suitable for your car? Have you checked this with the manufacturer?
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Post by vwjap on Jan 7, 2020 22:24:09 GMT
Surely it only a live and earth! As the switch on is from the light switch
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Post by florian on Jan 8, 2020 12:14:42 GMT
dv52 (Australia) Hello, the ogine plug is the same as the one that goes in the rear view mirror so that's ok, however in the rear view mirror there are 4 cables, 1 on one side and 3 on the other I have the same in my original brooch but it never dyes is this not normal? Normally it should be dyed when I am dazzled? That's why I would like to check this with you. To resume the connection from the beginning Courage to you friend for the terrible fires ravaging your country.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 8, 2020 12:54:31 GMT
Surely it only a live and earth! As the switch on is from the light switch John: Yes (and don't call me Shirley!! ), it might be logical for the arrangement to be that simple - but alas it ain't!!! Here's a cut-down version of the actual wiring : As you can see, beside the power pins (the +12v is a T15 supply) there are 2 x additional wires. Pin #64, socket A on J519 (which is the hex09 module) is the right-side reversing light bulb (M17). So, the anti-dazzle mirror is prohibited from darkening if the car is in reverse gear (for safety reasons), or if overhead internal light is illuminated (I assume because the internal light could be a false positive, perhaps?)
Don
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Post by vwjap on Jan 8, 2020 13:08:15 GMT
Is it a six pin plug too? So is the no button/surround mirror on a six pin plug too? Bit of a overkill as it could all be done in the 09 eh Shirley 😂🤣😂
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 8, 2020 13:10:21 GMT
dv52 (Australia) Hello, the ogine plug is the same as the one that goes in the rear view mirror so that's ok, however in the rear view mirror there are 4 cables, 1 on one side and 3 on the other I have the same in my original brooch but it never dyes is this not normal? Normally it should be dyed when I am dazzled? That's why I would like to check this with you. To resume the connection from the beginning Courage to you friend for the terrible fires ravaging your country. florian: see the wiring diagram that I provided for vwjap - does it make sense? If so, check (with a multimeter) that the pins are active as per the picture
Thanks for the message about Australia's bush fires - it's a catastrophe of epic proportion - 55 million hectares of Australia's forests were burnt (41% by area). The real heroes are the firefighters who are largely part time volunteers - most leave their work (they are un-paid) and their families to do this dangerous work for the community (respect!!)
Don
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Post by florian on Jan 8, 2020 20:24:19 GMT
dv52 (Australia)Hello, Thank you for your answers, so look, I explain I will post photos of a golf 7 which originally had this mirror, we see the colors of the cables and its connection, and then I ask you the photos of my current cables, the first 2 photos are those of the golf 7 that I disassembled, and the following 2 are mine, by cons can you make me simpler to tell me or plugged in the cables? I can not read the diagram like that knowing that I do not speak the language well, I find it easier to tell me in location 5 for example of the mirror connector you put a cable that goes up to the bcm at l 'location X is much better for me if it does not bother you. Yes I saw it is impressive I was planning to come to Sidney next year, I am informed of everything that is happening in this country, and these events saddened me a lot, especially that the man will probably not be able to put out this fire without it raining, I saw some impressive videos.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 8, 2020 21:16:55 GMT
Florian: Yes, your pictures look like my wiring diagram.
The 4 x wire colors on the 8 x pin connector on the mirror socket on the car are like this:
- Pin #1 - +12V (This is a "T15" voltage- which means that the volt supply is
switched-on ONLY when the ignition is switched-on): Yellow with black stripe - Pin #2 - Earth, or ground: Brown
- Pin #3 - Reverse light: Blue with black stripe
- Pin #6 - Front interior light: Red with brown stripe
So - I suggest that you measure the voltages on each of these wires with a multi-meter like this:
- When the ignition is switched-on, you should have +12 Volts on the Yellow/black wire (pin #1)
- The Brown wire (pin #2) should be connected to the car's metal body - use the resistance function on the multi-meter to confirm this.
- When you select reverse gear, you should have +12 Volts on the Blue/black wire (pin #3)
- When the front interior light is switched-on, you should have +12 Volts on the Red/brown wire (pin #6)
If you confirm these voltages, the problem must be in the frameless mirror: Don
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Post by florian on Jan 8, 2020 23:07:15 GMT
dv52 (Australia) I will try that tomorrow, but is it normal that already of origin my brown wire is not at the same amplification as of origin on that which I put you on the first 2 photos?
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 9, 2020 11:22:54 GMT
dv52 (Australia) I will try that tomorrow, but is it normal that already of origin my brown wire is not at the same amplification as of origin on that which I put you on the first 2 photos? Not sure I understand your question- sorry, Here's how the pin numbers and wire colors are arranged on the connector in your first picture (exactly the same as in my wiring diagram above):
Don
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Post by florian on Jan 9, 2020 12:26:52 GMT
dv52 (Australia) Yes that I understood it, what I want to say to you by there, it is that on the 3rd photo which I show you above these are my taking of origin, and you see that the brown wire is not plugged in the same place, the first 2 photos are of an original 7.5 golf with the mirror that I installed but this one had it from the factory
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Post by vwjap on Jan 9, 2020 12:38:37 GMT
Florian did you only have 3 wires fitted in that plug from factory? As you can’t really tell from your pic
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 9, 2020 12:55:32 GMT
dv52 (Australia) Yes that I understood it, what I want to say to you by there, it is that on the 3rd photo which I show you above these are my taking of origin, and you see that the brown wire is not plugged in the same place, the first 2 photos are of an original 7.5 golf with the mirror that I installed but this one had it from the factory hmmm.......... looks like the same wire coloring on the 3rd photo to me (see my picture below)- but as vwjap says "can’t really tell from your pic"
Don
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Post by florian on Jan 11, 2020 20:38:45 GMT
Hello dv52 (Australia), so I checked and original I have the same connections as you mention so I guess the problem comes from elsewhere you have an idea? Because the mirror still doesn't tint unfortunately
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 12, 2020 2:51:11 GMT
Hello dv52 (Australia) , so I checked and original I have the same connections as you mention so I guess the problem comes from elsewhere you have an idea? Because the mirror still doesn't tint unfortunately florian: if you have done what I suggest below AND IF the voltages are present on the pins as suggested- then the inevitable conclusion is that the fault is downstream of the connector: in the frameless mirror!! Don
Florian: Yes, your pictures look like my wiring diagram. The 4 x wire colors on the 8 x pin connector on the mirror socket on the car are like this: - Pin #1 - +12V (This is a "T15" voltage- which means that the volt supply is
switched-on ONLY when the ignition is switched-on): Yellow with black stripe - Pin #2 - Earth, or ground: Brown
- Pin #3 - Reverse light: Blue with black stripe
- Pin #6 - Front interior light: Red with brown stripe
So - I suggest that you measure the voltages on each of these wires with a multi-meter like this:
- When the ignition is switched-on, you should have +12 Volts on the Yellow/black wire (pin #1)
- The Brown wire (pin #2) should be connected to the car's metal body - use the resistance function on the multi-meter to confirm this.
- When you select reverse gear, you should have +12 Volts on the Blue/black wire (pin #3)
- When the front interior light is switched-on, you should have +12 Volts on the Red/brown wire (pin #6)
If you confirm these voltages, the problem must be in the frameless mirror: Don
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Post by florian on Jan 12, 2020 21:19:33 GMT
Hi dv52 (Australia), so I asked a friend who got the original mirror, and he told me that he too does not tint, but it is just anti-glare, do you have a video to show its function? cordially
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 12, 2020 21:40:01 GMT
hmm........... have a look on YouTube and "anti-glare" is "tint" Don
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Post by vwjap on Jan 12, 2020 22:07:38 GMT
Mine goes darker in the middle as you can see it doesn’t tint around the edges, looks bad
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Post by florian on Jan 13, 2020 22:01:31 GMT
Hello vwjap dv52 (Australia) look, I even disassemble the mirror to see if the problem does not come from the inside.
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Post by vwjap on Jan 15, 2020 21:10:02 GMT
I might try and rig it up on a desk somewhere and connect pin 1 to v+ and pin2 to Earth (not inside the mirror but at the outside connector) and I presume the other 2 wires need voltage to turn off tint, then shine a torch at the front of mirror to see if it tints, if not I’d put it down to mirror not working
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 16, 2020 6:53:19 GMT
I might try and rig it up on a desk somewhere and connect pin 1 to v+ and pin2 to Earth (not inside the mirror but at the outside connector) and I presume the other 2 wires need voltage to turn off tint, then shine a torch at the front of mirror to see if it tints, if not I’d put it down to mirror not working ^^^ John: I'm not sure if the frameless mirror operates the same as the original OEM mirror (with the switch at the bottom of the housing) - but darkening the OEM mirror isn't a simple case of "shining a torch at the front of mirror to see if it tints". If you think about it, the tint function on these mirrors need 2 x conditions to operate:
- it has to be nighttime, and
- there needs to be driver glare from the car traveling at the rear
Shining a torch at the mirror will simulate the second requirement listed above, but not the first requirement. Remember that the OEM mirror isn't connected to the car's CAN bus so it can't get a message from the Rain/light sensor telling it that it's nighttime. Plus, these tinting mirrors are installed in cars that don't have a rain/light sensor.
At least or the original OEM mirror in the first picture on this thread, an entirely different principle is used to turn-on the tint function: the darkening function uses the differential light conditions at the front and the back of the mirror. If you look at the original mirror, it has a small "vent" at the back of the mirror - there is a light sensor installed at the base of this "vent" that measures the ambient light level - so it tests for nighttime (i.e. requirement 1 in my list). Only when the light level at the back of the mirror is sufficiently low - will shining a torch on the front of the mirror work.
That's why my low-tech trick to maximize the tinting on the mirror works. I have been getting lots of messages from different folk on different forums asking if the amount of tint on the original mirror can be increased. The answer is "yes" and the trick is to place a piece of insulation tape over the vent at the front of the mirror. It means that the mirror will always tint (even in daylight) - but this can be negated by simply turning the mirror switch off.
I'm not sure if the frameless mirror works in the same way
Don
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Post by vwjap on Jan 18, 2020 15:31:30 GMT
John: I'm not sure if the frameless mirror operates the same as the original OEM mirror (with the switch at the bottom of the housing) - but darkening the OEM mirror isn't a simple case of "shining a torch at the front of mirror to see if it tints". If you think about it, the tint function on these mirrors need 2 x conditions to operate:
- it has to be nighttime, and
- there needs to be driver glare from the car traveling at the rear
Shining a torch at the mirror will simulate the second requirement listed above, but not the first requirement. Remember that the OEM mirror isn't connected to the car's CAN bus so it can't get a message from the Rain/light sensor telling it that it's nighttime. Plus, these tinting mirrors are installed in cars that don't have a rain/light sensor.
At least or the original OEM mirror in the first picture on this thread, an entirely different principle is used to turn-on the tint function: the darkening function uses the differential light conditions at the front and the back of the mirror. If you look at the original mirror, it has a small "vent" at the back of the mirror - there is a light sensor installed at the base of this "vent" that measures the ambient light level - so it tests for nighttime (i.e. requirement 1 in my list). Only when the light level at the back of the mirror is sufficiently low - will shining a torch on the front of the mirror work.
That's why my low-tech trick to maximize the tinting on the mirror works. I have been getting lots of messages from different folk on different forums asking if the amount of tint on the original mirror can be increased. The answer is "yes" and the trick is to place a piece of insulation tape over the vent at the front of the mirror. It means that the mirror will always tint (even in daylight) - but this can be negated by simply turning the mirror switch off.
I'm not sure if the frameless mirror works in the same way
Don Sooooo dv52 (Australia) I had a little play and it seems the frameless mirror is very dumb, when tinted reverse and interior light does in fact Untint it as expected but there’s a sensor on the front of the mirror (windscreen side, pic below) and if you cover that the mirror tints, that’s with the lights off, on auto, on sidelights and on main beam, so at night the mirror is dimmed all the time while driving, nothing to do with the lights from the car behind, so I recon if you connected to 12v and cover the sensor with your hand it should dim, although it took about 10 seconds to start to slowly dim So just a bit of useless info for you
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