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Post by lightforx on Jul 7, 2019 8:25:45 GMT
Hi,
I've tried to change the value of this particular app but it says that it is not supported.
I've also read that people have done this alternatively through adaptations. But adaptation is only available in the pro version.
Is there anyone who has successfully done this thru adaptation, after the app method says it is not supported?
I don't wanna end up paying pro only for it not to work either way.
Thanks for the help in advance!
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Post by phntsm on Aug 9, 2019 0:34:23 GMT
I'm in the same boat.
I have the pro version, but I haven't found the adaptation to input. Nor have I run into anyone that can verify that it works.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Aug 9, 2019 1:56:06 GMT
^^^^ hmm...... if you have a PRO version -why not try adaptations? What's the worst that can happen? If you can't find the channel - nothing lost. If you can find the channel and it doesn't work, simply revert the setting to the original value (easy).
The way that previous versions of the car (mk7) implemented this tweak was using either the "Temperature method", or the "Voltage method" - both these methods use adaptation channels in the Gateway module @ address hex19. Later model mk7s used the "Voltage method" - so this is probably the more likely to apply to the mk7.5!
The adaptation channel that you are looking for is Start/stop start voltage limit. The factory setting for this channel is 7.6 V. Change this to 12.1 V, or 12.0 V if you prefer. You shouldn't need a security code for this tweak, but if asked try 20103
Don
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Post by phntsm on Aug 11, 2019 23:11:25 GMT
Can confirm that the method you posted did work Don. At first the adaptation came back as unsupported, but I went back and tried a second time to see what the exact error message was and the second time it accepted it. I haven't seen that before, do you know if it's common?
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Aug 12, 2019 7:45:42 GMT
phntsm: well-done!!
I don't know why your first attempt was unsuccessful - probably "gremlins". But it don't matter - you have what you wanted!!!
Don
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Post by ubermick on Aug 25, 2019 20:16:53 GMT
Having a bit of a fume about this, to be honest. Bought a brand new 2019 on Monday, got her home. And immediately went out and got the OBDeleven module *specifically* for this, since the stop/start drives me mad. Arrived, saw I needed credits. Fine, bought a block of 100. (Actually already had a few for signing up, so technically didn't have to do that.) Plug it in, finally get it connected - performed a firmware update on the dongle, then added my car and... the stop/start app isn't supported?  So now will have to pay again for a pro version and get comfy with the long coding side of things... |
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Post by aussietig on Aug 26, 2019 2:13:22 GMT
Is an app in the Pro version and is only 10 credits
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Post by ubermick on Aug 27, 2019 23:05:44 GMT
Nope - got the pro version, and its still showing as not supported. Ended up doing it by manually altering the voltage via gateway/adaptation.
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Post by phntsm on Sept 19, 2019 0:25:47 GMT
Yeah, I was in the same boat. Kind of a pain in the ass.
At least there are a lot of interesting mods that can be done via long coding.
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Post by saltyirishman on Oct 13, 2019 15:36:44 GMT
The apps honestly are not worth it. Finding and changing the values is not difficult and helps you to wrap your brain around how things are set up in the car--the other part is if you are changing the adaptations you can remember what you changed and change them back.
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Post by redrum on Oct 24, 2019 4:39:52 GMT
Have a Golf R 2018 with OBD Pro it tolk me two times before it work and now the car stay on all the time
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Post by bedek on Nov 28, 2019 18:42:04 GMT
I have Golf FL Variant (2020) version and changing to 12.1V does not work. Cabine Temperature is "not available". Any ideas how can i disable S/S system forever? Thank you
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 28, 2019 23:24:15 GMT
^^^ OK - it maybe that the Boffins @ VW HQ have made changes to the hex19 module so that the tweak doesn't work anymore? Is the value "12.1" accepted by the module when you re-read the channel?
Don
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Post by bedek on Nov 29, 2019 11:18:31 GMT
Yes the value 12.1 is accepted after re-reading. One click App is "not supported". There is one another option called "Deactivation of start stop system" but i saw in another thread that does not work either. I know its just one button push, but it make me crazy if i forgot  |
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 29, 2019 21:41:29 GMT
^^^ bedek: Yes, SS makes (did make) me crazy too - and I think it's the most dangerous facility that can be added to any car!! The first time that I tried to make a right-hand turn (we drive on the left-side of the road here)in a car fitted with SS against on-coming traffic, the dangerous aspect of SS became apparent. To complete my turn after I pressed the pedal, the car has to crank, turn-on the engine and then accelerate - yes, it doesn't take long to do this, but the added time could be the difference between a near miss and a disaster!! I quickly found a number of ways of getting rid of SS
So - the alternative way of disabling SS is to install a physical device to the car - I have designed a simple switch for this purpose (which you would need to build), or you could buy a commercial product. Would you consider such a solution?
Don
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Post by alltrack18 on Nov 30, 2019 14:16:02 GMT
My frend Skoda superb MY2020 that adaptation for voltage method start-stop didn’t work as well
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Post by bedek on Dec 1, 2019 10:00:45 GMT
So - the alternative way of disabling SS is to install a physical device to the car - I have designed a simple switch for this purpose (which you would need to build), or you could buy a commercial product. Would you consider such a solution? Don Propably not because of varranty, or insurance problem (car accident). They are very strictly of physical "changes" here (Switzerland) on cars. You know its nothing i know its nothing, but they know "it should not be there" :-) I have still hope someone that come with a codding solution. |
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Post by 19vwr on Dec 4, 2019 2:11:49 GMT
I just did mine after the obdeleven said it was not supported. I went to the garage- control units- central electrics and changed the voltage from 7.1 to 12v under start stop activation.
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Post by davedee on Apr 12, 2020 5:15:59 GMT
Hi Guys
I just picked up a new Mk 7.5 and can also confirm issues with this setting. I’ve used it in 2 cars before without issue but this time It does not work.
Manually set control unit 19 > Adaptation >Stop start voltage limit
Set to 12V and the stop start was still active, read and confirmed it was set to 12V and then upped it to 12V1 but no difference stop start still continued to operate used Android then cross checked with iOS, all settings look correct
Has anyone changed the parameters and found it just does not work?
Does anyone know if the temperature setting works?
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Post by vwjap on Apr 12, 2020 6:59:48 GMT
You can’t change SS on newer cars with obdeleven
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Post by newty on Apr 12, 2020 11:13:35 GMT
You also can't with any other tool like VCDS or VCP.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 12:13:03 GMT
But you can build / Fit a memory module that does the job (of turning it off) but allows you to turn it back on if needed with a push of the button.
For those who worry about warranty you can also get them with function that allows you to turn it off (the memory module) when it goes into the garage.
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Post by davedee on Apr 12, 2020 22:31:26 GMT
Thanks for the heads up Might have to use an ASR RX2 valve flap controller it has stop start memory (the right way) and valve flap control using the Stop start button. I bring these in so there’s no big deal but because the valve don’t make a huge sound difference was not doing to do it, now I probably will
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Apr 12, 2020 23:57:43 GMT
Thanks for the heads up Might have to use an ASR RX2 valve flap controller it has stop start memory (the right way) and valve flap control using the Stop start button. I bring these in so there’s no big deal but because the valve don’t make a huge sound difference was not doing to do it, now I probably will dave: ASR RX2 valve flap controller is an interesting device - not heard of it before.
As I read the marketing literature on the website, I think you mean the ASR RX2 Plus valve flap controller. But, wow @ $625 (+ delivery) - USD I assume - this has to be at the "expensive" end of the solution spectrum. Seems pricey for a couple of connectors, a length of wiring loom, a small box of electronics and a key fob!!! I've installed a number of auto SS kill boxes on various cars-the purchase price has been as low as $20 AUD (no memory) for this: and about $65 AUD (with memory) for this:
 purchased here: But thanks for identifying
Don
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Post by diggs on Apr 15, 2020 0:18:15 GMT
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Post by davedee on Apr 15, 2020 11:13:08 GMT
Yes it is a valve flap controller, has a radio receiver built in and non volitle memory for stop start. Its a dual function conroller that uses a remote and the factory stop start push button to control the valve flaps (Open closed or factory) and also holds stop start on off in memory so there is no deactivated popup icon in the display. It also has a hidden mode that deactivates all functions
Overkill, well yes, a bit given the valves don’t make the same difference they do on an RS3 or AMG V8. I know the guys at ASR and bring these into AU because if my background in electronic engineering, BTW they do not cost that much in AU
Ive used one of these in a TTRS and it was really good and I think better than anything that controls Canbus functions
Disappointing that the voltage method no longer works for removing the curse of stop start
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Post by diggs on Apr 15, 2020 22:08:42 GMT
thanx so pretty much will plug straight into mk7.5 golf r , any ideas or links to get them cheaper in AU thanx
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Apr 15, 2020 23:37:05 GMT
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Post by diggs on Apr 16, 2020 1:11:34 GMT
Hi Don thanx heaps have you got ebay link for timer
thanx
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Apr 16, 2020 6:49:55 GMT
Hi Don thanx heaps have you got ebay link for timer thanx diggs:bummer - the buy links for the timer in my original instructions no longer apply (still it's been a very long time since I first wrote the webpage).
Ive updated my instructions with new eBay details - but you can use this to source the dual delay timer instead
In the alternative, I've also designed another version of my Auto SS kill switch here - it's ostensibly the same underlying design, but it uses a different timer device
Don
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