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Post by ruairi on Feb 6, 2023 10:29:34 GMT
Interesting vwjap - I had a closer look this morning and compared the wiring with what you'd posted elsewhere below: As far as I can see - the wiring to the quad socket looks to be good. The only suspect thing is the red wire going to the 12v connection on the bottom right is just hanging there loosely and isn't properly attached: This is the picture I get when I put the car into reverse on the lowline coding - so its interesting that you say I should get the yellow guide lines no matter what: I wonder if a soft/hard(does this require recalibration?) reset of the camera module might help - I did see in other posts that others have had to do this in the past when the RVC wasn't playing ball no matter what coding was used.
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Post by vwjap on Feb 6, 2023 21:42:54 GMT
😂🤣😂 had a look round the module and nothing sticks out to turn the guide lines off
You know the canbus wires don’t just run the reverse camera right? Their there on all cars, no cam, low cam and high cam, just that a highline cam is patched into the 2 infotainment canbus wires
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Post by ruairi on Feb 6, 2023 22:30:03 GMT
You know the canbus wires don’t just run the reverse camera right? Their there on all cars, no cam, low cam and high cam, just that a highline cam is patched into the 2 infotainment canbus wires I did not know that - so there's every chance that the wires aren't patched in correctly. I had a quick look at the wires coming from the boot emblem and there are quite a few, from which I assumed it was most likely a highline camera since the lowline camera is "dumb". Anyway - far too many assumptions on my part - I'm probably a bit too undereducated on the whole thing to be tackling the wiring at the minute so I think I'll retreat into my man cave and do some learnings/give up and accept the lowline camera and databus missing message fault (even though it bothers me). Thanks for the information!
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Post by vwjap on Feb 7, 2023 7:53:12 GMT
Ok in days of old signals used to be controlled by voltages or resistance, and each line was independent, so you would have 1 wire control the ignition (12v on/off), one wire for reverse (12v when put into Rev), one wire for speed (voltage up and down at a frequency determined by the speed of the car) Now all them lines carry voltage so would need to be as thick as the current it draws (1amp, 10 amp) so the wiring loom would have to be pretty thick, and heavy Now canbus’s at two wires that can carry all the signals I mentioned before plus many more, in computer languages (0’s and 1’s), so don’t need any amperage, so the wires can be extremely thin and only two, saving a lot of weight, So the org/br org/purp twisted wires carry all the info the mib needs to get to run the infotainment unit, so if they were in the wrong place then it wouldn’t know your in reverse, ignition is on, so we know that’s working Now if I remember correctly the RVC low has 2-3 wires going to boot release and live earth and signal going to the camera plus 2 for video feed, whereas the RVC has same 3 going to the release but live earth and a twisted pair (canbus, I think org/red org br) going to the camera plus 2 for video feed, so only 1 wire difference
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Post by ruairi on Feb 7, 2023 9:56:00 GMT
Thank you mate, that's very helpful. Do you have any idea of the difference between the high and low CAN inputs? I'm just thinking the fact that 6C is showing up in my scan/gateway list at all means that it probably is highline and something must be connected - but then the permanent databus missing message fault on 6C and function limitation due to missing message fault when I activate VPS_0x0b on 5F suggests that something isn't connected correctly. I'm going to take the glovebox off and try to get a better look soon - I already did this to check the fuses and it looked like there was no fuse where the reverse camera fuse should be (SC18) according to this site. But then the camera probably wouldn't work at all in lowline configuration if this was the problem. Hopefully the patching has been done somewhere visible without having to take trim apart - which I really want to avoid. Thanks again!
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Post by vwjap on Feb 7, 2023 12:23:22 GMT
Tell me what colour the 6c circle is please on the module list
I’m thinking maybe a lowline has been fitted and the module added manually, and because it thinks there is one then you get the data us error
Can high and can low is the voltages they work at, so high would be 2.5v to say 3.1v and can low would be 1.2v to 2.5v, now when high is 3.1v and low is 1.2v then that would be a binary 0, now when can high and low are both 2.5v then that would be binary 1
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Post by ruairi on Feb 7, 2023 12:30:20 GMT
Tell me what colour the 6c circle is please on the module list It's red because of the databus missing message fault. I did autocoding when I first used OBDEleven too and it didn't seem to have any problem with it. When I got the car there were 5 or so databus missing message faults with no static guidelines on the camera at all and I disabled some settings such as AHK (trailer) and all but one of the faults disappeared and static guidelines as above appeared
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Post by vwjap on Feb 7, 2023 12:38:13 GMT
I might take off 6c manually then do auto to see if it actually shows up, or look at the camera and see if it has physical can wires or a black/blue wire
Also added more to above post re can high/low
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Post by falcon on Feb 8, 2023 18:39:39 GMT
The 2 can cables described by vwjap (colour see contribution from vwjap) are only available for the Highline. it does not have a low line. So see if these 2 CAN cables arrive at the camera and are also connected there. Then you know with certainty which camera is installed.
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Post by vwjap on Feb 8, 2023 19:01:51 GMT
“there was no fuse where the reverse camera fuse should be (SC18)”
Well that’s a bit worrying as I thought it did the boot release as well as the camera 🤷♂️
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Feb 8, 2023 21:53:47 GMT
falcon vwjap : With full acknowledgement for your generosity in attempting to help diagnose what appears to be a very strange problem, I'm not really sure that confirmation that this is a high-line camera (via the 2 x CAN wires) is worth-while - I intend no offense!! As can be seen in the multiple scan reports that OP has included in this thread, a RVC module is correctly reported as a fully fledged CAN device. Notwithstanding the error message, the citation for the module at address hex6C looks complete (i.e. the SCAN includes a full list of records for a functioning module). Of course anything is possible, but I suspect that there is little possibility that there is NOT a hex6C module connected to the CAN network on this car!
For me, the more interesting question in this strange case relates to OP's insistence that " I assume the swinging logo is the camera inside the VW logo on the boot which opens when you put it in reverse - if so, it does indeed have this"! When I search Mr Google for the part number 5Q0980568 (this is the PN for the hex6C module in OP's SCAN), I get images like this: This picture is from HERE.
This is the hex6C module report from OP scan:
--------------------------------------------------------------- 6C Rear View Camera
System description: RVC Compact+ Software number: 5Q0980568 Software version: 0100 Hardware number: 5Q0980568 Hardware version: H04 ODX name: EV_CamSysRVRVCARPANAMQBAB ODX version: 006008 Long coding: 01840201C2002011000040
Notice the PN on the image - albeit the "Hardware version" number is different). If this is indeed OP's RVC module, more importantly notice NO swing Logo!!!
Very odd indeed!! Could it be that whoever (retrofitted?) a high-line camera on this car, left the original low-line camera installed - Shirley not?
Also, I don't have access to EKTA, but ALL of the web hits that I get for this hex6C module relates to non-MQB platform cars (mostly PQ35 platform -like Golf mk6). Can anyone confirm that 5Q0980568 (as distinct from 5Q0980568A, or 5Q0980568B) is MQB compliant?
Don
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Post by falcon on Feb 9, 2023 20:22:06 GMT
@ Don Understood. No problem. I had not read the scan report. ruairi So the VIN is a German Passat. These always have a Highline camera with the original equipment. The part number 5Q0980556 is the simple high-camera module (this does not have a trailer assist option, for example). The 5Q098568 is the compact+, which, like the 5Q098568B, should also offer the option of trailer assist. But it should be original for Passat and thus MQB. On photos on the web, high_cameras sometimes only have the TN without the B. High-line cameras have an 8-pin connector, low-line only 4-pin. These are all findings from various sources of my internet research on high rear view cameras for the Golf 7 Sportsvan, for which the Passat camera should fit. I haven't had a chance to retrofit it to my car yet. The coding, as described by you, seems OK. So in the 5F byte 19 bit 4 "not active". Otherwise, with VPS_0x0b_msg_bus you can go to the comfort data bus and go to the infotainment data bus, if you have one. The STG 76 must also be programmed "RFK installed", activate byte 2 bit 4 for me? And in the 6C, as don already wrote, the settings for byte 4 bit 0, 5 and 6, as well as the setting "Byte 07 - the software switches enable different "Correspondence_HMI_RV_Modes"" which, among other things, enables the different views of this camera. The CAN bus has the following cable colors: low orange/brown and high orange/black. On the infotainment quadlock pin 6 (can high) and 12 (can low). It should be important that these are not connected in the wrong way. Please check that, and also that both bus cables actually have continuity from the front to the camera (to rule out cable breaks). The red wire on the quadlock you mention could also be a problem. The camera needs constant power, which may be supplied via it instead of from the fuses under the steering wheel. If no permanent plus, then no function. Also check all other cables from the camera to make sure they are properly connected. If the camera is not original equipment, you would of course have to check whether the camera has the right set of parameters for the vehicle. This requires VCP, which I don't have available. There are some results on the web for error code B200087, e.g. In any case, try to eliminate the other error messages for the Infotainment 5F from your scan. Errors can always lead to other functions not being released. Here is another forum that deals with the high-line cam: www.golf7freunde.de/index.php/Thread/9385-R%C3%BCrückfahrkamera-High-dynamik-linien-nachr%C3%BCsten/?pageNo=10Don't know if this helps. I wish you success.
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Post by vwjap on Feb 9, 2023 20:45:27 GMT
“and also that both bus cables actually have continuity from the front to the camera“
Al canbus wires are terminated with a 120 ohm resistor
Plus infotainment is normally org/brown org/purple and comfort bus is org/brown org/green and the org/Ben org/black is powertrain (although I’ve noticed on a lot of newer cars their changing the can high wires to a solid colour (eg the orange/green is now a solid green))
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Feb 9, 2023 21:29:46 GMT
falcon / vwjap : I know that your further responses were intended for OP - but thanks for filling-in the education-holes in my understanding!
falcon: "But it should be original for Passat and thus MQB". Arrrhhh...........yes - I should have known better. Of course this RVC is MQB compatible - the SCAN report extract that I posted says: - ODX name: EV_CamSysRVRVCARPANAMQBAB
ruairi : So - some very good stuff in the above replies to help diagnose this very odd problem.
However, I need your help to scratch an intellectual-itch that continues to bug me about this matter! Is the RVC on this car like the simple unit in my picture above, or does this car have an RVC with a swing logo?
Please provide a screenshot of the actual RVC on this car - please
Don
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Post by ruairi on Feb 9, 2023 23:15:06 GMT
Thanks to falcon , vwjap and dv52 (Australia) - you guys are awesome. Definitely a wealth of great information here and it is very much appreciated. dv52 (Australia) I did a quick search myself of the HW Number and I can't see any with a swing emblem either... I wouldn't be surprised if this is some kind of Frankenstein set up with cobbled together parts. I haven't had time since my last post to investigate further but will check if any serial/hardware numbers are on the camera that I can see over the weekend, and will get a picture of both the wiring and the camera within the emblem. So the VIN is a German Passat. These always have a Highline camera with the original equipment. The part number 5Q0980556 is the simple high-camera module (this does not have a trailer assist option, for example). The 5Q098568 is the compact+, which, like the 5Q098568B, should also offer the option of trailer assist. But it should be original for Passat and thus MQB. On photos on the web, high_cameras sometimes only have the TN without the B. High-line cameras have an 8-pin connector, low-line only 4-pin. These are all findings from various sources of my internet research on high rear view cameras for the Golf 7 Sportsvan, for which the Passat camera should fit. I haven't had a chance to retrofit it to my car yet. The coding, as described by you, seems OK. So in the 5F byte 19 bit 4 "not active". Otherwise, with VPS_0x0b_msg_bus you can go to the comfort data bus and go to the infotainment data bus, if you have one. The STG 76 must also be programmed "RFK installed", activate byte 2 bit 4 for me? falcon - German-made yes but RHD UK specification, to clarify. I'm not sure if the camera was OE - it wasn't listed on the equipment sheet when I registered in the MyVolkswagen portal. I have tried both comfort data bus and infotainment databus and RFK installed (Camera Type Rear View: Active as per OBDeleven) is already activated in module 76. What an archaeological goldmine this new car is turning out to be.
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Post by ruairi on Feb 10, 2023 16:18:16 GMT
Hi guys, Please see some pictures I was able to get: dv52 (Australia) - camera in swing emblem: If I disable the Swing Emblem setting in 6C the badge doesn't open anymore in reverse and i just get an image of darkness (obviously). Wiring from tailgate (apologies - the best I could do): vwjap - fuses vs diagram - note the fuses that I imagine should be there that appear to be missing; SC4 - Alarm horn, SC6 - Anti-theft alarm sensor, SC18 - Reversing camera/Rear lid handle release button, SC36 - Front Left Headlight (maybe LED only), SC37 - Front Right Headlight (maybe LED only) On the bright side, I was able to clear the B200087 fault using the MIB2 Toolbox as suggested in the video you linked falcon . I had to then apply another code for confirmation of installation change and no more faults in 5F (other than speaker open circuits - but that's another matter)! I then tried to set VPS_0x0b to activated again and disabled byte 19 bit 4 but results were the same on both msg_bus settings. I've seen some Swing Emblem Highline cameras on ebay such as www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273810468226 - is it possible the camera in my car is using incorrect firmware and thinks its a different sort of camera or is the HW number in the scan definitely the right one? Either that or its from AliExpress... Thanks again.
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Post by falcon on Feb 11, 2023 16:55:05 GMT
Nice that at least one piece of advice helped (Error 5F). If no cam is listed in the equipment list, then an upgrade is more likely. This is also supported by the information about the Quadlock (red wire) and the not set fuse 18. This is often done for the sake of simplicity when retrofitting, because it is more complex to run a cable from the right footwell to the fuse box under the steering wheel.
I think it would be helpful to really check the wiring and actually measure it for errors. Then it can be assumed that there is no error here. It is indeed some effort to expose everything, but there is no alternative. And then the type of camera is also safer (number of pins on the emblem connector, see above). If everything is ok there, only coding changes (but where?) or a wrong/defective camera remain. You can ask in the linked forum (in German and not via PM): The users Golfi30 and Gubsche are professionals there and can determine with certainty whether the camera is ok and has the correct parameters, or how to upload them. until then good luck.
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Post by belzemos on Mar 12, 2023 16:48:53 GMT
Hello there!
In need of assistance with my fault codeon MIB2
aa2
Thanks for your time
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Post by corporateash on Mar 13, 2023 22:48:58 GMT
I know this is an old thread, but I’ve had the same thing come up. Only three characters, though: DF3
Can anyone help? Thanks!
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Post by vwjap on Mar 13, 2023 23:24:23 GMT
I know this is an old thread, but I’ve had the same thing come up. Only three characters, though: DF3 Can anyone help? Thanks! Hello there! In need of assistance with my fault codeon MIB2 aa2 Thanks for your time Ok if it comes up as 3 digits then it’s just dropped the 0 off the front So 0aa2 = c370 And 0DF3 = c421 Or you can forget about putting the zero into the calculators online and they will still give you the same answer
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Post by d3ffect on Apr 9, 2023 13:02:29 GMT
Hi my name is Costel and I have the same problem after retrofit mib2. My key is 167f Anyone can tell me the number for conversion please?
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Post by vwjap on Apr 9, 2023 14:37:30 GMT
Dfad
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I updated my post and still have the error B201A00
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Post by mmoha on May 2, 2023 11:14:24 GMT
Hi Communauty , I updated myy radio but i have the same problem
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Post by vwjap on May 2, 2023 12:17:33 GMT
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Post by pino on May 15, 2023 15:08:04 GMT
Hi 7A09
Thanks for helping
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Post by larson on Jun 3, 2023 16:43:14 GMT
Hello, On my polo 2015 6C, after a retrofit mib2 with sd card patch (for component and CarPlay) all works except my park assist with camera in same time. Sound is ok, but ops not. Other i have on 5f error on software, can you help me ? Here is my code. 2c9e 🤓 . Can error may ops doesn’t works correctly ? On my old mib ops and camera were ok with same coding. Thaanks!!!! Attachments:
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Post by vwjap on Jun 3, 2023 17:41:21 GMT
THIS ERROR DOES NOT STOP ANYTHING FROM WORKING, Hell Vw service department won’t even clear it It’s a information only error,
E54c
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Post by larson on Jun 3, 2023 18:35:21 GMT
Ok the problem is something else so …
e54c thanks, i see your link too late.
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Post by larson on Jun 4, 2023 19:32:05 GMT
I can’t write, writing … and never end, try few times same problem. Other i have theses errors on pdc 10 and 5F
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Post by vwjap on Jun 4, 2023 20:52:01 GMT
Problem is you’ve got a hacked unit, and sometimes that can cause all sorts of errors, even stop you getting into the 5f module, guess you swapped from mib1 to mib2? As there are differences in coding between the two, plus quite a few on here can only read English
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