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Post by marktdigolf7 on Jan 25, 2024 17:48:06 GMT
Hello just wondering are US style city lights(Solid Indicator light) possible to code onto a UK mk8,it’s possible on the and Mk7 golf just wondering if anyone would be able to help? Thanks
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Post by newty on Jan 26, 2024 7:40:01 GMT
Broken indicator switch lightning is only possible when there is no 4B control unit.
If no 4, procedures match the old:
*Identify turn signal channels
*Add Standlicht
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Post by paneuropean on Jan 27, 2024 6:09:54 GMT
Hi newty: I'm having trouble comprehending your post #2 above. If the OP has a UK spec car, won't it already have the "single-side parking light" function that is common on European spec vehicles? I am guessing that is what you are referring to when you wrote "Standlicht". For what it's worth, VW does not ship cars to North America with single-side parking lights enabled. What condition or configuration you referring to when you wrote "Broken indicator switch lightning"? Michael |
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Jan 27, 2024 10:05:56 GMT
Michael - Hi. As you aware, I live on a continent that can accurately be described by Americans/Canadians as being in the very, very deep-south. So, I don't get to see many (any?) NAR model Golfs!! It's therefore with some trepidation that I make comment on cars sold in the land-of-the-free! As is the case on MQB platform cars - whether the vehicle operates Single-Side-Parking -Lights, or not is determined by the following adaptation channel in the 09 module: - ENG141656-ENG115859-Außenlicht_uebergreifend-Parklicht ueber LSS aktiviert (I've included the channel tag numbers because of your fondness for the "other" device)
On cars with SSPL, the factory setting for this channel is one side However, there are other available options for this channel as illustrated below: As you can see, there are options for both your country and the "Mexicans" that live on the other-side of your southern border! I'm not sure how Parklichtfunktion USA und Kanada differs from the Canada option. The option Beidseitig means "both sides"
According to my records, the equivalent channel on a mk8 is: - IDE09767-ENG115859-Parking light-Parklicht ueber LSS aktiviert
So, whilst the channel above determines what mode of "Parking Light" the car will use when the driver activates the turn-signal stalk - the allocation of that lighting function to a particular lamp is determined elsewhere like this:
- On a mk8, If the lamp is controlled by a Leuchte-set (as are the tail-lights), then the "Parking-Light" function can be added to a Lichtfunktion channel by the following Leuchte-commands (the equivalent Leuchte-commands on a mk7 are different):
- Parklichtlinks
- Parklichtrechts
- On both mk7s and mk8s, the lamps on some headlight fittings are managed via Light-Control-Modules (LCMs) -where LCMs are installed, the lamps do NOT use Leuchte-sets. The master module for headlight fittings with LCMs is what newty calls the 4B control unit (this is the master module for the headlight lighting function on the Extended CAN bus). Alas, neither OBD11, or VCDS can access the coding in LCMs - so the factory behaviour of the lamps in the headlight fittings cannot be altered.
I suspect this is what newty means by " Broken indicator switch lightning is only possible when there is no 4B control unit".
Don
PS: The traditional "US Parking Light" tweak doesn't use the SSPL function - instead, it uses the normal Parking-Light function (I think Yankees call ii "position lights"). For this tweak, the turn-signal lamp illuminates (steady) whenever the low-beam lights are activated - of course the turn-signals over-ride the steady illumination of the lamp to flash whenever the blinker stalk is activated. But this doesn't matter because the same 2 x restrictions above apply regardless of what form of Leuchte-command is needed!
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Post by paneuropean on Jan 27, 2024 10:19:02 GMT
Hi Don:
Thanks for your reply, much appreciated.
Things sure are a lot more complex with the MK 8 than they ever were with the MK 7 (and orders of magnitude more complex than the Phaeton was).
I think I am going to be very cautious about making any changes to my vehicle (2024 Golf GTI) until I fully understand things. It might take a long time before I fully understand things...
Michael
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Post by newty on Jan 27, 2024 12:06:21 GMT
Well, that escalated quickly.
It is "cool" to have static amber lights at the front since years here in Germany in some bubbles.
They refer to it being "US-Style" but as we all know, turn indicators have nothing to do with extra amber position lights mandatory in NAR cars.
Is is irritating to see a car with the turning signal being constantly lit and looks broken.
Funfact: Have a quick search for MK7 GTIs. People were intelligent enough to melt their fixtures with these codings, as the turn signal bulb was never engineered to have more than 50% duty cycle.
So in opionion, this has nothing to do with single side parking lights or parking at all
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Post by paneuropean on Jan 27, 2024 12:43:43 GMT
Hi newty : Ah, now I understand what the conversation was all about. It is interesting to note that on the NAR spec MK 8 Golf, there is only one tiny little side-light 8mm tall and 20 mm long on each of the front headlights to comply with the "illuminated sidelight" rule. But we do get a huge orange reflector embedded on each side of the front bumper, and it is very effective for night-time conspicuity. At the rear of the car, both the illuminated sidelight and the side facing reflector are embedded in the rear outer tail light assembly, and from a distance of one meter or more you cannot see any difference between the North American & European tail light unless the lights are turned on. What confused me about the original post was the OP's use of the term "city lights". I have always understood "city lights" to refer to the very small bulb that used to be embedded in the headlight assembly of European MK 6 and earlier Golfs and other VW products. I think the French had a rule up until the 1980s that you were not permitted to use low beam headlights in the city, hence these little bulbs which were never provided on NAR vehicles. In Canada and the USA, we use the term "parking lights" to refer to the amber at front and red at rear marker lights, in other words, the night lighting fitment not including headlights. Funnily enough, many American owners dislike the front amber reflector on the NAR vehicles, and there are aftermarket kits available to cover it up. I guess this proves that the grass is always greener on the other side (of the ocean). Michael
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Post by platterfoot on Jan 28, 2024 14:46:42 GMT
Hello just wondering are US style city lights(Solid Indicator light) possible to code onto a UK mk8,it’s possible on the and Mk7 golf just wondering if anyone would be able to help? Thanks I am pleasantly shocked that you want this because from what I’ve seen Americans don’t even want this. It’s ironic. We want what the Europeans don’t want and vice versa. Maybe because we want what we’re not used to? Idk. If there’s a psychologist lurking here do a study on this 🤣 |
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Post by newty on Jan 28, 2024 19:30:51 GMT
Exactly.
Looks odd to me:
And does not get better with newer models
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