medsox
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Post by medsox on Nov 2, 2023 15:03:12 GMT
I did confirm with VW parts that the unit I installed is compatible. After install below are the errors I am get from the scan. I would really appreciate some help. I did try and copy the long coding from the back up of the vehicle before I replaced the unit but was getting an error basically saying there was no change in the data.
The Scan for US MK 7.5 FL 2019 GTI Autobahn 2.0
OBDeleven vehicle history log
Date: 2023-11-01 20:02:21
VIN: 3VW6T7AUXKM001830
Car:
Year: 2019
Body type: D5 Hatchback
Engine: DKFA kW ( hp) l
Mileage: 47750 mi
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08 Air Conditioning
System description: AC Automat
Software number: 5NA907044AP
Software version: 1501
Hardware number: 5NA907044AP
Hardware version: H60
Faults:
U101300 - Control module not coded
static
Priority - 6
Malfunction frequency counter - 1
Unlearning counter - 55
km-Mileage - 76829 km
date - 2023-11-01 14:00:39
B201000 - No basic setting
Intermittent
Priority - 6
Malfunction frequency counter - 1
Unlearning counter - 96
km-Mileage - 76829 km
date - 2023-11-01 14:00:39
B109EF0 - A/C compressor first run
not performed
static
Priority - 2
Malfunction frequency counter - 1
Unlearning counter - 55
km-Mileage - 76829 km
date - 2023-11-01 14:00:39
B108915 - Rear outlet temperature sensor
Open circuit/short circuit to B+
static
Priority - 3
Malfunction frequency counter - 1
Unlearning counter - 55
km-Mileage - 76829 km
Dynamic environmental data - 260914F40D00028675
date - 2023-11-01 14:00:43
B109615 - Potentiometer für Stellmotor der Temperaturklappe hinten
Unterbrechung/Kurzschluss nach Plus (Translation=Potentiometer for temperature damper actuator Interruption/short circuit after.)
static
Priority - 2
Malfunction frequency counter - 1
Unlearning counter - 55
km-Mileage - 76829 km
Dynamic environmental data - 028675261300C82609142642000061264301D8
date - 2023-11-01 14:00:44
B108E54 - Rear temperature flap positioning motor
No basic setting
static
Priority - 2
Malfunction frequency counter - 1
Unlearning counter - 56
km-Mileage - 76846 km
Dynamic environmental data - 02867B261300B526090D2642FFFF61264301A6
date - 2023-11-01 18:51:10
B108B54 - Fresh air, recirculation, air flow flap motor
No basic setting
static
Priority - 2
Malfunction frequency counter - 1
Unlearning counter - 56
km-Mileage - 76846 km
Dynamic environmental data - 02867B261300B526090D261F0280261E015731
date - 2023-11-01 18:51:10
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 2, 2023 21:20:44 GMT
hmm........ ain't no way that this matter can be progressed without more information. You need to include a reasonably comprehensive back story telling us why this control module was installed -was it replacing an existing climatronic module, or did you upgrade the existing module ? If the latter- what other equipment was installed? And you need to include details of the old module - from a past SCAN report. The other deficiency in trying to remotely diagnose this problem is the partial SCAN - we know nothing else about how this car was built other than the AC module! However - based ONLY on the data provided - the principal issue appears to be U101300 error. The remaining basic setting errors can't be resolved unless the module has no other errors! So resolving this fault is your first step. Was the new module brand-new, or second-hand? How did you code the new module after fitment (both long-code AND adaptation channels)?
You also need to include a copy of the FULL long-code strings for both the old and new modules. Don |
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medsox
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Post by medsox on Nov 8, 2023 20:20:55 GMT
I upgraded the climatronic unit from the original module with the dials (see pic) to the touch panel module (see pic). I did a full back up before installing the touch module. I did not realize that it would have issues as both modules have just about the same features. When you say “past scan report” are you referring to the back up? The new module was brand new OEM. I am not too familiar with long coding the new module. Shame on me for thinking it would be plug n play. I am not familiar with how to copy long codes for both modules. I only did a back up before installing the new module in case I had an issue I could revert to the original module and coding. I noticed in the history every change you make is stored but would all backups do the same or every time you do a backup would it overwrite the previous? I appreciate your help.   |
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 8, 2023 20:53:35 GMT
hmm....... after the physical fitment of a brand new control module into a MQB platform vehicle like a Golf mk7, there normally will be a number of coding issues (no- its NOT normally plug-n-play)!!
Assuming that the module has the correct dataset (i,e, if the module's internal firmware is compatible with the car's VIN), you normally need to set-up the long-code string to tell the new module about the car itself and to tell the module what peripherals are installed in the car,
The Climtronic module can be installed into many different VAG vehicles (VW, Audi, Skoda, Seat etc.) - so the settings on long-code determine the brand car, the engine details, the type of refrigerant, whether Start-Stop is installed and lots more.
In addition to long-code, there will be a number of adaptation channels that will need to be established, Having set-up the long-code correctly, the module then needs to be told how to operate the peripherals - this is the role of the adaptation channels
Finally, after long-code and channel database is correctly set - there will be a number of initialization parameters to set-up in the module. These are the basic settings for the module that are peculiar to each individual car. Examples include the ON-OFF positions for the flap-motors, the initialization of the compressor etc,
It is almost certain that a brand-new OEM climatronic module will have none of the information above - hence the errors that you observe. You will need to thieve the long-code and adaptation channel values from the old module and input this into the new module and you will then need to undertake the initialization processes in Basic Settings
Don
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medsox
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Post by medsox on Nov 8, 2023 21:23:25 GMT
Okay. I will try and get some more info from the car. Is there a way to see what all bits/bytes (long coding) do for the climate unit so I can determine what needs to be implemented? Or is there a way to copy the old module settings and implement them into the new module? Like you said helping the new module understand the car and its roll in the car.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 8, 2023 22:47:31 GMT
medsox : To understand the long-code better - maybe read THIS
Not sure which version software you are using but both Android and iOS have the same facility
Here's the the long-code screens for iOS:
If you want a complete listing of the Byte/Bit values on your old module - copy and past the complete long-code from the back-up in a post, or use Thirsty handy-dandy tool HERE
Don
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medsox
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Post by medsox on Nov 9, 2023 15:28:04 GMT
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Nov 9, 2023 19:45:14 GMT
Yes, a simple copy-and-paste of the long-code string from the OLD module onto the NEW module is a good starting point. But you might need further fine tuning after clearing any errors that might appear!
However, before you do this - it's prudent to check that the 2 x modules have the same Byte count. The Climatronic module on a mk7 has a total of 16 x Bytes - so make sure that the OLD module also has a total of 32 x digits (each Byte is 2 x digits).
As I have said, getting the long-code values correct is the first step. Use your back-up information from the OLD module to also align the values of the adaptation channels in the NEW module.
Then you likely will need to implement some Basic Setting procedures as identified in the SCAN
Don
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medsox
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Post by medsox on Nov 9, 2023 21:02:27 GMT
This is the long code I got from the original module backup. 0002001420011800110400401211140E It has the 32 characters. I will give this a try copying, pasting, scanning, checking the bits and let you know how I make out.
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Post by whyahwhya on Dec 5, 2023 15:28:13 GMT
So i also had a touch control installed on my mk7 a few weeks ago,
Indeed i was presented with similar fault code to OP.
But there were relatively easy to clear,, First perform Flap calibration by holding the AC + Menu button.
Then i noticed that the A/C button was not working and the compressor was not kicking end, search online and found that pressing A/C and rear defroster for a few seconds, this will actually perform " compressor first run in - auto" basic setting.
I also ran into MENU button not working, for that you need to code :
Channel 5F
adaptation
Car_function_list_BAP_GEN2
Change the below to active
Climatic_master 0x01
Climatic_Slave 0x02
Aux_heating 0x03
Im really not sure what these are, but the MENU button worked afterwards.
Now maybe Don can help here, after all said and done there is only one fault code i have "Rear temperature flap positioning motor no basic settings"
I believe that because the control came from a passat with it was coded to think that a rear module is installed.
I check the long coding hex, but do my surprise no description is attached to the bites.
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Post by dv52 (Australia) on Dec 6, 2023 22:40:18 GMT
whyahwhya : Hi and thanks for the information!!
Yes, you are correct - I also can't fond a software switch on long-code string for the A/C module that specifically identifies a rear temperature flap positioning motor.
My hunch (guess really) is that maybe the error is implicated in the Bit entries on Byte 00 and Byte 01 - since these software switches tell the module the car brand and the car type. Not sure if you have checked that these early Bytes on your retrofitted touch module align with the values on your old A/C module - but worth a try, I think!
Don
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Post by mathi9020010 on Dec 7, 2023 13:53:01 GMT
whyahwhyaYou can deactivate the 3rd Climatic Zone. This should clear that error.
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Post by whyahwhya on Dec 7, 2023 22:36:41 GMT
whyahwhya : Hi and thanks for the information!!
Yes, you are correct - I also can't fond a software switch on long-code string for the A/C module that specifically identifies a rear temperature flap positioning motor.
My hunch (guess really) is that maybe the error is implicated in the Bit entries on Byte 00 and Byte 01 - since these software switches tell the module the car brand and the car type. Not sure if you have checked that these early Bytes on your retrofitted touch module align with the values on your old A/C module - but worth a try, I think!
Don
Ill get it a try once i get my hands on vcds, as i said on the on OBD11 there are no description in the long coding. Will also try to first to redo the codes i edit for the menu button > install the old controller > copy the long coding > and then install the touch controller again to see if i get the aircare option again. Will report back.. |
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Post by whyahwhya on Dec 7, 2023 22:37:02 GMT
whyahwhyaYou can deactivate the 3rd Climatic Zone. This should clear that error. How? |
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medsox
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Post by medsox on Dec 8, 2023 19:09:02 GMT
I have not had a chance to try the things you had suggested Don but when I do I will report back. I appreciate the additional info from the other contributors.
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medsox
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Post by medsox on Jan 23, 2024 17:00:32 GMT
I have install the new climatronic touch module, I copied the long code from the old module and installed the code into the new module. After the coding I pressed the A/C and Menu buttons together until they were flashing and stopped. I pressed the A/C and Rear Window Heater buttons together until they were flashing and stopped. I tried these options Channel 5F, adaptation, Car_function_list_BAP_GEN2, Change the following to active, Climatic_master 0x01, Climatic_Slave 0x02 and Aux_heating 0x03. After all of this the module works perfect. I can press all of the buttons on the module and on the infotainment unit screen. The only issues I still have are the listed errors. I suspect it it because the module thinks there is a rear climate zone. I did check Byte 00 and Byte 01 and only one bit was checked on Byte 01. Should I try selecting each bit one at a time and see if the errors go away? I hope I'm giving enough info.
08 Air Conditioning
System description: AC Automat
Software number: 5NA907044AP
Software version: 1501
Hardware number: 5NA907044AP
Hardware version: H60
Faults:
B108915 - Rear outlet temperature sensor
Open circuit/short circuit to B+
static
B108E54 - Rear temperature flap positioning motor
No basic setting
static
B109615 - Potentiometer für Stellmotor der Temperaturklappe hinten
Unterbrechung/Kurzschluss nach Plus
static
5F Multimedia
System description: MU-S-NS-US
Software number: 3Q0035876B
Software version: 0890
Hardware number: 3Q0035876B
Hardware version: 853
Faults:
U111100 - Function limitation due to missing message
static
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Post by mathi9020010 on Jan 25, 2024 19:28:10 GMT
Its very easy to uncheck the 3rd climatic zone.
It can be disabled in Long Coding with Labels.
Do you even have aux heating? (Standheizung)
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Post by chrispie on Jan 25, 2024 20:36:50 GMT
To my recollection 3rd clima zone is used for backseat in Passat & Arteon, not for aux heating🫢
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medsox
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Post by medsox on Jan 25, 2024 20:57:23 GMT
Thanks for your help guys. I am somewhat new to this and still learning. mathi9020010 when you say "It can be disabled in Long Coding with Labels". Do you mean in the attached screen shot of my phone where I can select "Display and control unit, rear"? If so the default selection was "Not Installed". Or do you mean in the actual long code where I would select or unselect Bits inside of Bytes?  I do not have a third zone or Aux Heating. The image below is not my screen just an example of what is displayed in my main screen as having a controllable rear zone in the back which it does not. I suspect that if I eliminate the imaginary third zone my errors will be resolved. I just need a little guidance as to how.  |
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Post by chrispie on Jan 25, 2024 21:18:42 GMT
That”s the one to disable.
Both methods you describe have the same outcome.
Compare it to Windows os where you can perform commands by mouse click or open a command line window and type in the dos commands by hand.
Next to that obd11 provides apps for the most common changes which would take many long coding alterations.
To stay with the windows os, you can compare this apps to macro’s.
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Post by medsox on Jan 25, 2024 21:35:55 GMT
Thanks but it was already defaulted to "Not Installed" and still shows on the screen. Is there another area I should be looking to disable?
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Post by whyahwhya on Jan 26, 2024 11:20:56 GMT
I have install the new climatronic touch module, I copied the long code from the old module and installed the code into the new module. After the coding I pressed the A/C and Menu buttons together until they were flashing and stopped. I pressed the A/C and Rear Window Heater buttons together until they were flashing and stopped. I tried these options Channel 5F, adaptation, Car_function_list_BAP_GEN2, Change the following to active, Climatic_master 0x01, Climatic_Slave 0x02 and Aux_heating 0x03. After all of this the module works perfect. I can press all of the buttons on the module and on the infotainment unit screen. The only issues I still have are the listed errors. I suspect it it because the module thinks there is a rear climate zone. I did check Byte 00 and Byte 01 and only one bit was checked on Byte 01. Should I try selecting each bit one at a time and see if the errors go away? I hope I'm giving enough info. 08 Air Conditioning System description: AC Automat Software number: 5NA907044AP Software version: 1501 Hardware number: 5NA907044AP Hardware version: H60 Faults: B108915 - Rear outlet temperature sensor Open circuit/short circuit to B+ static B108E54 - Rear temperature flap positioning motor No basic setting static B109615 - Potentiometer für Stellmotor der Temperaturklappe hinten Unterbrechung/Kurzschluss nach Plus static 5F Multimedia System description: MU-S-NS-US Software number: 3Q0035876B Software version: 0890 Hardware number: 3Q0035876B Hardware version: 853 Faults: U111100 - Function limitation due to missing message static For U111100 error, see my 2nd post here forum.obdeleven.com/thread/20844/touch-climatronic-retrofit-coding-guide. I have the exact faults as you, i asked for help from one of the retro fitters in UK, his response was that the i have the wrong module.  |
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Post by mathi9020010 on Jan 26, 2024 11:23:05 GMT
When you have no aux heating, why you activated it in 5F?
Why you activated CLimatic Slave?
When retrofitting the Touch module, no additional codings have to be done in 5F.
Only in 08 Climatic Module.
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Post by whyahwhya on Jan 26, 2024 11:40:29 GMT
U need to activate Climatic Slave to have the menu button function on the touch control module.
Climatic_master 0x01 Active
Climatic_Slave 0x02 Active
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Post by chrispie on Jan 28, 2024 13:06:44 GMT
OBD11 provides, similar to VCDS, a long coding helper function which provides more information about all hexadecimal values and also the opportunity to make changes. You'll find this in the [BLUE TAB WITH WHITE CAR] on the upper left. In control unit 08 [AIR CONDITIONING] there are actually 2 settings > Long coding > [ BLUE TAB WITH WHITE CAR] - [AIR-CONDITIONING ZONES, SECOND SEATING ROW] which, in my case reads "according to function requirements" - you could try to override this setting with the "1 zone" setting
 
- There is a second setting [REAR SEAT HEATER] setting; This one should read "NOT INSTALLED"
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Post by whyahwhya on Jan 28, 2024 19:18:00 GMT
Thanks, Switching the "Air conditioning Zones, second seating Row" to Not installed fixed the issue. Not longer faults in the module. Edit: looks like doing the above change caused a fault in module 5F |
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Post by whyahwhya on Jan 28, 2024 20:01:21 GMT
Here is my current long coding.  |
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Post by chrispie on Jan 28, 2024 20:18:13 GMT
It looks like the control unit you have originates from and/or is parametrized for a 2-zone climate contol vehicle like a Passat or Arteon.
Here's a log of my CU replacement (unfortunately it's in Dutch).
I used VCDS becouse I find it easier for long coding, but you should be able to do the same trick in OBD11
Original CU data:
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Adres 08: Airco/Verwarming (J255) Labels:| 5G0-907-044.clb
Onderdeelnr. SW: 5G0 907 044 CF HW: 5G0 907 044 CF
Component: Climatronic H04 1801
Revisie: 00001K08
Codering: 00020014200110011105004010101022
Dealer #: WSC 12345 123 61029
ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X 006145
ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW37X_006_VW37.rod
VCID: 6D8CA641CD1222E2F45-8038
Geen foutcodes gevonden.
#[Here I replaced the manual CU for the digital CU]
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#[And here is how I pasted the above long coding into the new digital CU]
Adres 08,17G 907 044 BE,gehercodeerd (Lange Codering-exp),van,00020004200010010004000000101000,naar,00020014200110011105004010101022,(00000/000/00000),
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Adres 08: Airco/Verwarming Labels: 5G0-907-044.clb
Regelapparaat Onderd.nr.: 17G 907 044 BE HW: 17G 907 044 BE
Component en/of Versie: AC Automat H02 1601
Software Codering: 00020014200110011105004010101022
Dealernummer: WSC 12345 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_ACTouchPrehVW37X 001010 (VW37)
ROD: EV_ACTouchPrehVW37X_VW37.rod
VCID: 6E8EA14DC014D9FACDF-803A
#[CLEARED ALL FAULT CODES]
Adres 08: DTCs gewist
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#[NEW DIGITAL CU DATA]
Adres 08: Airco/Verwarming (E87) Labels:| 5G0-907-044.clb
Onderdeelnr. SW: 17G 907 044 BE HW: 17G 907 044 BE
Component: AC Automat H02 1601
Revisie: 20K07000 Serienummer: 00000A00810516
Codering: 00020014200110011105004010101022
Dealer #: WSC 12345 123 12345
ASAM Dataset: EV_ACTouchPrehVW37X 001010
ROD: EV_ACTouchPrehVW37X_VW37.rod
VCID: 6E8EA14DC014D9FACDF-803A
Sensor voor luchtkwaliteit:
Geen foutcodes gevonden.
If you can state the part number of your unit I can check ETKA from what vehicle the unit originates.
Cheers!
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Post by mathi9020010 on Jan 29, 2024 11:29:18 GMT
whyahwhya again my question: does your car have aux heating (Standheizung in german)?. If not, deactivate it in 5F.
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medsox
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Post by medsox on Jan 29, 2024 13:22:11 GMT
whyahwhya again my question: does your car have aux heating (Standheizung in german)?. If not, deactivate it in 5F. No I do not have aux heating. I turned it on as a suggestion from another post due to an error with the menu button not working. I turned it off. |
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